Georgia Off My Mind - McCain flat lines

Submitted by Bill White on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 9:46am. Tags:

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Discuss!
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There's a reason this guy's not a professional (#109862)

by dionysus on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 11:17am

Trim that baby down to 30 seconds, make the whole thing move faster including the music and make the same point in less time, maybe you'd have an ad.

There's def room for a 30 second "McCain is Bush" spot in this election, I'm not really impressed by this one.

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Now this is the discussion I was looking for (#109866)

by Bill White on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 11:36am

Thanks!

Fence post turtles -- They don't get up there by themselves, some moron had to put 'em there.

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It appears this video was done by one person (#109855)

by Bill White on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 10:45am

A freelance political operative, as it were:

Although I enjoyed Barack Obama's recent web ad "Embrace" (the one with lots of hugging between Bush and McCain), I still think the campaign needs to be a little harsher. The idea of a continuation of Bush policies into a third term should be scary, not playful. Furthermore, I think it's important to emphasize that McCain has been "doubling down" on Bush's policies at the same time the rest of the nation (and world) has been abandoning them.

YouTube and viral media distribution empowers the little guy!

Fence post turtles -- They don't get up there by themselves, some moron had to put 'em there.

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Let's not discuss (#109846)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 10:02am

This diary parrots Obama/DNC talking points and doesn't add a lick of commentary or analysis. It has zero contributory value. If this site had such a feature, I'd vote this piece of sh*t post into oblivion.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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Bird Dog, do you stand by your #95059 comment? (#109901)

by Bill White on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:08pm

May 19, 2008:

Two, if a diarist puts together a skinny and linkless and unsupported post, or even a fat and linkless and unsupported post, then the commenters have every right to point out all those deficiencies, and they have. The diarists are ultimately responsible for their own work product, and their credibility and the influence of their thoughts should be weighed accordingly. I don't think there should any restrictions on length or brevity, other than what's spelled out in the posting rules.

This was in response to my proposal:

Given the high level of interest in the November election, and to facilitate a higher level of discourse here at forvm.org, perhaps we need a new guideline that requires (at a minimum) that overtly political diaries meet this rule taken from Daily Kos:

Diaries should be substantive. A good guideline is that if you don't have at least three [or four - bw] solid paragraphs to write about your subject, you should probably post a comment in an open thread, or in a recent diary or front-page post that covers a topic relevant to what you wish to write about.

One paragraph or one sentence or one link "hit" diaries should be expressly prohibited by such a new rule. Diaries that merely quote from other sites and say "Ain't this cool!" perhaps should also be discouraged or prohibited.

Regular open threads can be created for such forms of expression.

Of course, many of my prior diaries would violate these new rules. However I will readily abide by such a rule going forward provided that others are likewise prohibited from posting variations on the "quickie drive-by" diary that merely seek to instigate a flame-fest in the comments section.

Of note: Both Charlie Black and Randy Schuenemann should be fired.

Fence post turtles -- They don't get up there by themselves, some moron had to put 'em there.

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Hmmm (#109916)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:34pm

There isn't a button to vote posts into oblivion, so the point is moot. I don't think contentless POS posts should be deleted or banned, nor should they be exempted from any manner of criticism that I choose.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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We used to be able to vote diaries down (#109923)

by catchy on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:47pm

But the pwoers that be decided it created too much acrimony.

if you start acting nicer and maybe write some sports diaries you might get elected mod and then you can delete sqb diaries.

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Heh (#109924)

by Harley on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:49pm

Don't be fooled. M. Scott is merely saving up for the autumn.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

(And voting diaries down is a bad idea.)

To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard

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What about (#109917)

by Gabriel on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:37pm

POS diaries that are not content free but are worse, full of content that is simply wrong because the diarist is writing about technical topics he does not understand?

Should we have a button to vote them into oblivion as well?

This place is my vacation.

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And who gets to judge the "worse" part? (#109927)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 2:01pm

You? In all your insufferable arrogance? At least a contentless diary can be measured. Bill's was exactly one word: Discuss!

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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Well (#109930)

by Gabriel on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 2:09pm

If there were a button I guess we'd all judge, individually.

A one-word diary may not be ideal but at least it does not subtract knowledge as would a diary that is based on basic misunderstandings.

This place is my vacation.

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Why the readers of course (#109929)

by Spartacvs on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 2:08pm

which, judging by the comments they leave in your regular surge diaries, would appear to dovetail with Gabriel's descriptive.

GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

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It also parrots the public's mood (#109869)

by Spartacvs on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 11:42am

in respect to the issues the electorate is interested in and McCain continues to avoid, which is all the commentary or analysis it needs.

GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

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why are you the only guy that gets to swear? nt (#109865)

by nilsey on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 11:31am

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He's not (#109975)

by HankP on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 9:52pm

I've disemvoweled a few f^%ks in my time.

I blame it all on the Internet

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well that is f*cking sweet (#110061)

by nilsey on Fri, 08/15/2008 - 12:56pm

i look forward to commenting a whole h*ll of a lot F8cking more now that i understand that to avoid being profane we just have to pretend not to know what the f4ck words might mean if they are sp3lled out in such a way that the mutherfocking children attending the site won't figure out what they might really be.

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Even I Have, On Occasion (#109976)

by M Scott Eiland on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 9:58pm

Admittedly, I prefer acronyms and/or initialisms, as in: "T.O. needs to STFU."*

*--which he's actually done pretty well recently--kudos!

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Typical (#109895)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 12:49pm

You continue to show that you'd rather attack me or impugn my integrity than engage in any sort of substantive dialogue.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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Actually (#109900)

by Gabriel on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:02pm

No one's attacking YOU. The problems are your comments. You need to control yourself and avoid posting things like 'piece of sh*t' which only pollutes the site for the rest of us. If you think this is so content-free just skip it, no one is forcing you to read it. Or at least try to make your points without grade-school insults.

This place is my vacation.

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Typical (#109909)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:25pm

The real problem isn't swear words with asterisks in their proper places, it's propaganda embedded into a new diary with zero content added from the diarist. To me, the latter pollutes this site way more. If the insults bother you, then deal with it.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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No (#109912)

by Gabriel on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:31pm

Differing views about what is and what is not propaganda is one of the reasons we are all here to debate.

Childish insults are, well, just childish insults.

As for dealing with your insults, that's OK, I have two small children, I am used to tantrums.

This place is my vacation.

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A YouTube from a Democrat political operative... (#109925)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:56pm

...is not propaganda? Whatever. The insult is richly deserved.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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That's YOUR opinion (#109931)

by Gabriel on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 2:11pm

Others may have different opinions.

I have no problems with that.

I was just hoping to keep the tantrums I deal with limited to my children and away from The Forvm.

This place is my vacation.

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Oh, Puhleeze (#109926)

by Harley on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 2:00pm

Anyone who links to Redstate diarists is not allowed to use the word. Seriously. Throwing words like 'propaganda' at opinions you don't like does not do much to refute the opinion or advance your own. Why even use the term?

To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard

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Yes, really (#109884)

by Gabriel on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 12:27pm

BD's comments all too often veer into infantile insulting. Enough already.

This place is my vacation.

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And So Reality Becomes a Talking Point (#109847)

by Harley on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 10:17am

I get that you don't like the numbers. Sorry about that. This does not, however, make them a talking point. Reality's funny that way. And on a day that follows a new McCain ad that criticizes Obama for voting in 'lockstep' with President Bush (40 percent of the time!), this seems wholly appropriate.

And I'd be careful about that site feature you mention. Logorrheic diaries in the service of a poorly founded obsession just might get oblivianized too. Tho' we all like the graphs very much.

To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard

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This isn't about the YouTube, (#109894)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 12:48pm

this is about Bill and his contentless diary. The YouTube simply dovetails with months-long Obama/DNC talking points about McCain being a Bush 3rd term. The numbers are beside the point, particularly since--outside of Hagel--McCain has departed from the Bush administration more than any other Republican in Congress. Bill & Co. are playing political games because we have a GOP president with low approval ratings, so partisans like Bill are trying to surgically attach McCain to Bush, metaphorically speaking.

If posting a YouTube with zero diarist content is a standard you find acceptable, then I guess I'll just have to jump in, too. Please tell me how this diary or my entry adds one iota of substance or interesting conversation, and why these kinds of diaries help elevate the discourse here at this site. I'm sure this crap does well at places like dKos. So is dKos Lite what you'd like this site to be? Since the conservative-to-liberal ratio here is low and falling, go ahead and make it dKos Lite, and then you can watch the ratio fall even further.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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Well, the thing is, (#109908)

by dionysus on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:25pm

McCain in like 2001 deviated from Bush a bit. Since then? Not in the slightest, as a matter of fact he spent the last 2 years in competition with the other candidates to deviate from Bush the least.

So either McCain honestly wants a third Bush term, or he doesn't and is shamelessly selling out what he believes in to try and get elected, to the degree of a 180-shift in almost every position he once held.

Take your pick, I don't think the country really wants either.

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It's *always* about the youtube (#109896)

by catchy on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 12:50pm

So I'd appreciate it if you'd take that back.

But I agree that Bill's post coulda been an open thread comment.

Rather than kicking better diaries off the Recent Dairies list yourself, I think you could just make that pt. w/out throwin up a cheap diary.

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The point made... (#109910)

by Bird Dog on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:25pm

...was exactly as intended. My diary is just as cheap as Bill's, and I have just as much right and privilege to put up a contentless diary as Bill. The larger issue, of course, is whether or not the contributors really want this quality of diary under "Recent Diaries" or whether we as a community should shoot for a higher standard. It sounds like, judging from the comment made, cheap and contentless is OK.

"I want America to know that I'm, like, totally ready to lead." -- Paris Hilton

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The largest issue (#109914)

by catchy on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:31pm

is whether you will admit youtube should be the focus of every comment we make + thought we entertain.

On a much smaller issue, I think we agree that diaries would be improved if they weren't merely a run-of-the-mill political spot.

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I agree my "diary" makes a better open thread comment (#109899)

by Bill White on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 1:10pm

FWIW