McCain, Obama, Langewiesche & Tumlinson


Rand Simberg is a prolific blogger on space policy issues, foreign affairs and sundry matters. With respect to US foreign policy he and I come close to being complete and total polar opposites and yet he has recently written a fair and balanced essay published in Popular Mechanics concerning the respective space policy positions of our Presidential candidates and I concur with this conclusion offered by the linked article:

The Bottom Line

For voters already behind NASA’s targeted human spaceflight, don’t get your hopes up—none of the three major candidates are likely to fund the current plan, because they’ll all face the budgetary pressures implied by an aging population and a burgeoning federal deficit.

So perhaps the real question to ask McCain, Clinton and Obama is not what they’re going to do for NASA, but whether they’re going to come up with a more innovative federal space policy overall. . . .

Concerning John McCain, Simberg writes this:

The Rhetoric

“He is proud to have sponsored legislation authorizing funding consistent with the President’s vision for the space program, which includes a return of astronauts to the Moon in preparation for a manned mission to Mars. He believes support for a continued US presence in space is of major importance to America’s future innovation and security. He has also been a staunch advocate for ensuring that NASA funding is accompanied by proper management and oversight to ensure that the taxpayers receive the maximum return on their investment.” (johnmccain.com)

The Reality

Sounds good, right? Well, there are a couple of things the senator leaves open-ended. It could very well be that upon gaining office, McCain will determine that taxpayers haven’t been receiving that “maximum return.” That’s certainly the opinion of many in the space community—that NASA’s program is too expensive for too little return, with many billions to be spent over the next few years for nothing more than a repeat of the Apollo program. If so, it could result in a major restructuring of the agency.

Even though Simberg is already vigorously attacking Barack Obama on a variety of issues, I largely agree with the foregoing assessment but I would add my sense that President McCain would essentially "stay the course" with NASA perhaps with less funding resulting in few if any worthwhile accomplishments.

Concerning Barack Obama, Simberg offers a quote from Obama's web site:

The Rhetoric

“The retirement of the Space Shuttle in 2010 will leave the United States without manned spaceflight capability until the introduction of the Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV) carried by the Ares I Launch Vehicle. As president, Obama will support the development of this vital new platform to ensure that the United States’ reliance on foreign space capabilities is limited to the minimum possible time period. The CEV will be the backbone of future missions, and is being designed with technology that is already proven and available.”

This statement is focused almost entirely on "the gap" which will arise once the Shuttle orbiter is retired and before America's follow on system becomes operational.

Simberg then offers links to a comment Obama made during a campaign appearance in Wyoming and at a subsequent appearance in Indiana, and these comments reveal Obama intends to look more deeply into "Why?" America should fund human spaceflight.

This link offers a better point of entry for the Wyoming comment than was included in the Popular Mechanics article:

The full exchange:

During the question-and-answer portion of an event at a recreational center here, Obama was asked about the nation’s space program.

“I grew up on Star Trek,” Obama said. “I believe in the final frontier.”

But Obama said he does not agree with the way the space program is now being run and thinks funding should be trimmed until the mission is clearer.

“NASA has lost focus and is no longer associated with inspiration,” he said. “I don’t think our kids are watching the space shuttle launches. It used to be a remarkable thing. It doesn’t even pass for news anymore.”

And here is the Indiana question and answer in full:

On April 11, 2008 Barack Obama answered questions at Columbus High School in Columbus Indiana:

Q: What do you plan to do with the space agency? Like right now they're currently underfunded, they, at first they didn't know if they were going to be able to operate Spirit rover. What do plan to do with it?

Obama: I think that, I, uh. I grew up with the space program. Most of you young people here were born during the shuttle era. I was the Apollo era. I remember, you know, watching, you know, the moon landing. I was living in Hawaii when I was growing up, so the astronauts would actually, you know, land in the Pacific and then get brought into Honolulu and it was incredible memories and incredibly inspiring. And by the way inspired a whole generation of people to get engaged in math and science in a way that we haven't - that we need to renew. So I'm a big supporter of the space program. I think it needs to be redefined, though. We've kind of lost a sense of mission in terms of what it is that NASA should be trying to achieve and I think that we've gotta make some big decisions about whether or not, are we going to try to send manned, you know, space launches, or are we better off in terms of what we're learning sending unmanned probes which oftentimes are cheaper and less dangerous, but yield more information.

And that's a major debate I'm going to want to convene when I'm president of the United States. What direction do we take the space program in? Once we have a sense of what's going to be most valuable for us in terms of gaining knowledge, then I think we'll able to adjust the budget so that we're going all out on what it is that we've decided to do.

Going forward, I would assert that Obama's current space policy is well captured by this excerpt from the foregoing passage:

So I'm a big supporter of the space program. I think it needs to be redefined, though. We've kind of lost a sense of mission in terms of what it is that NASA should be trying to achieve and I think that we've gotta make some big decisions about whether or not, are we going to try to send manned, you know, space launches, or are we better off in terms of what we're learning sending unmanned probes which oftentimes are cheaper and less dangerous, but yield more information.

And that's a major debate I'm going to want to convene when I'm president of the United States. What direction do we take the space program in? Once we have a sense of what's going to be most valuable for us in terms of gaining knowledge, then I think we'll able to adjust the budget so that we're going all out on what it is that we've decided to do.

If we are to have a national discussion concerning NASA's "mission statement" I propose that we begin with a short essay written by William Langewiesch and published in the Atlantic Monthly's January 2004 edition. This is is titled "A Two-Planet Species" with the sub-title "The right way to think about our space program"

Langewiesch is not a space journalist, as is plainly revealed by the journalist's biography and list of articles published at The Atlantic. In October 2003, a few months before his brief comment "A Two Planet Species" was published, The Atlantic published an intensively researched article written by Langewiesch on the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster titled "Columbia's Last Flight" and if you are a space enthusiast, the entire article is worth your time.

Anyway, Langewiesch came to the realm of space exploration as an apparent outsider and after researching and writing about the Columbia disaster had this to say about the future course of human spaceflight (January 2004):

In the aftermath of the breakup of the space shuttle Columbia an important debate on the purpose and future of the U.S. human-space-flight program is under way, though perhaps not as forthrightly as it should be. The issue at stake is not space exploration in itself but the necessity of launching manned (versus robotic) vehicles. Because articles of faith are involved, the arguments tend to be manipulative and hyperbolic. If the debate is to be productive, that needs to change.

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One thing for sure is that the American public is more sophisticated than the space community has given it credit for. In the event of a grounding the public might well be presented with a question now asked only of insiders—not whether there are immediate benefits to be gleaned from a human presence in space but, more fundamentally, whether we are to be a two-planet species. If upon due consideration the public's answer is "yes," as it probably should be, the solutions will be centuries in coming. Compared with the scale of such an ambition, a pause of a few decades now to rethink and rebuild will seem like nothing at all.

As one famous blogger often quips, read the whole thing. I have not seen elsewhere such a precise and succinct summary of the issues related to human spaceflight policy as was written by Langewiesch in these five paragraphs.

Are there immediate benefits to be gained from an American human presence in space may be the question faced by the 44th President of the United States however there remains the larger underlying question as to whether humanity should undertake permanent settlement out there. "If upon due consideration the public's answer is "yes," as it probably should be . . ." is of course an understated personal answer to that question.

Note that neither Obama nor McCain came within miles of this question; should we become a multi-planet species. McCain talks about "innovation and security" as the rationale for NASA funding. Obama talks about "gaining knowledge" as the rationale for NASA funding.

McCain has said very little if anything beyond the passages quoted above while Obama gave this revealing comment also linked above:

We've kind of lost a sense of mission in terms of what it is that NASA should be trying to achieve and I think that we've gotta make some big decisions about whether or not, are we going to try to send manned, you know, space launches, or are we better off in terms of what we're learning sending unmanned probes which oftentimes are cheaper and less dangerous, but yield more information.

And that's a major debate I'm going to want to convene when I'm president of the United States. What direction do we take the space program in? Once we have a sense of what's going to be most valuable for us in terms of gaining knowledge, then I think we'll able to adjust the budget so that we're going all out on what it is that we've decided to do.

If we are to have the debate Obama proposes, I believe we need to heed these words written by Langewiesch: "Because articles of faith are involved, the arguments tend to be manipulative and hyperbolic. If the debate is to be productive, that needs to change."

Many of us who are interested in space policy hold strong preconceptions and space advocates tend to argue past one another on topics such as "robots versus humans" never engaging the gist of the opposing arguments. As we seek to unravel these issues and truly examine the various assumptions and preconceptions I believe we can find value in a conceptual framework suggested by Rick Tumlinson of the Space Frontier Foundation.

He has created a series of competing narratives using caricatures of prominent space enthusiasts to illustrate three very different rationales that can be offered to justify sending human beings into space. Tumlinson is a colorful character and often starts his talks with a standard greeting--"Welcome to the Revolution!" and in one talk I attended in person he proposed that there are three kinds of space people:

Saganites: "Space is big, billions of stars, isn't God's creation incredible...DON'T TOUCH IT."

Von Braunians: "We vill go boldly into space, and you vill watch on television, and you vill enjoy it." That's the current space program.

O'Neillians: "We will build the tools, go into space, and use its resources to expand humanity and freedom into the cosmos."

Tumlinson's categories were also discussed in a Popular Science article from April 17, 2004:

In a paradigm Tumlinson dreamed up, the space world fractures into three groups: Saganites, O’Neillians and von Braunians.

Saganites, named for astronomer Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996), are the philosophers and voyeurs of the cosmos, intent on low-impact exploration that promotes a sense of wonder. They consider the universe an extension of Earth, and want space explorers to be politically correct pacifists and environmentalists.

O’Neillians take their name from Princeton physicist Gerard O’Neill (1927 - 1992), who imagined city-size colonies in space contained on vast, rotating platforms (think of the space station in 2001: A Space Odyssey, with its spinning rings and artificial gravity). Getting people out of here en masse was the thing—not to kiss Earth good-bye in the rearview mirror, but to give it a chance, by consuming extraterrestrial rather than terrestrial resources. (An O’Neillian motto, riding a bumper sticker of his day, read: “Save Earth: Develop Space.”)

Von Braunians are, strictly speaking, the old guard, named for the V-2 and Saturn rocket-meister Wernher von Braun (1912 - 1977). Von Braunians advocate a centralized approach: large expensive projects like the ones NASA undertakes, projects that ordinary people can be proud of but not participate in.

The PopSci article then expands on Tumlinson's understanding of these concepts:

In a nutshell: Saganites say, Look but don’t touch; O’Neillians, Do it yourself; von Braunians, We’ll do it for you.

Saganites are about indulging our sense of awe. They believe all space races we can imagine now are just tune-ups for the real event—which will happen when we discover, through SETI, or planet-hunting interferometry probes, evidence of probable intelligent life. Saganites would like to see humanity develop international space treaties, to view space as a common resource.

O’Neillians are about free enterprise, manifest destiny and everyone’s right to a piece of the private-entry-to-LEO pie. They believe space is fair game for development.

Von Braunians are about national prestige—NASA’s very reason for being, and surely the biggest single driver of space-faring to date. When Kennedy announced Americans would be first to the Moon, when Nixon signed off on the space shuttle program, when Reagan OK’d the space station—they were all serving up old Wernher, wrapped in Old Glory.

Unfortunately, I cannot find evidence that Tumlinson has amplified or clarified his thoughts on these narrative alternatives and therefore in a Part Two of this already long blog post I shall offer my own edits and amendments to these proposed narratives:

Sagan-ism: Go out into space to explore and gain knowledge but take only pictures and leave only footprints.

von-Brain-ism: Space exploration shall be undertaken for the prestige and enhancement of the nation state.

o'Neill-ism: Space exploration should be about the expansion of the human species and the human economy.

Obviously these categories shall require the caricature of three human beings and I see my mission as being to expand and amplify Tumlinson's approach with nuance and respect.
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Update: NASA to debate ISS evacuation (#94576)
by Bill White

Nasaspaceflight.com seems to have an exclusive on this:

NASA managers have been meeting today to debate the option of removing the US presence from the International Space Station (ISS) when Discovery undocks at the latter part of STS-124.

That would be very, very soon. Why?

The discussions relate to confidence levels in the Russian Soyuz - that is currently docked on Station as a rescue vehicle in the event of an evacuation - while an ongoing investigation into Soyuz TMA-11's ballistic re-entry continues.

The 'down moded' option taken by the Soyuz TMA-11's flight computers - commanding the vehicle into a ballistic re-entry - is still in the midst of a Russian investigation, which is not likely to come to a conclusion ahead of STS-124.

The debate focuses around US confidence in the Soyuz as a 'solid rescue vehicle' - as previously reported by this site. The docked Soyuz is the only means of evacuation from the ISS during an emergency in-between shuttle missions.

The options being discussed relate to either changing the crew size riding up on Discovery to six - minus expedition 17's Gregory Chamitoff - and returning Garrett Reisman as planned, or launching with Chamitoff, before bringing him home with Garrett on Discovery.

When we talk of war with Iran, recall that ISS is one of the cards Russia is holding. We procure Soyuz and Progress to support ISS via special legislative exemptions to a sanctions regime crafted to "punish" Russia for helping Iran with their nuclear power plant project.

Anyway, perhaps there is no connection but returning Garrett Reisman as planned while NOT leaving Gregory Chamitoff at ISS would be a significant event for NASA.

Or maybe this is merely a routine review and / or some sort of bluff.

Thus far Chris Bergin at NSF is the only space journalist talking about this.

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Mark Udall (D-CO) on 2008 NASA Authorization (#94314)
by Bill White

Statement issued upon introduction of the NASA Authorization Act of 2008

Finally, the NASA Authorization Act of 2008 recognizes that America's human space flight activities are not, and should not, be an end in themselves. We need a results-oriented human space flight program that serves the nation's geopolitical goals in addition to advancing America's exploration of outer space. I believe that we provide the foundation for such a results-oriented approach in the bill I am introducing today. Thus, the bill includes provisions to ensure that the International Space Station--a unique orbiting R&D facility that represents a significant investment of resources by both American citizens and those of a host of other nations--will be utilized in as productive manner as possible.

In addition, the ISS is a compelling example of the value of undertaking a cooperative approach to space exploration that we would do well to emulate as we embark on exploration beyond low Earth orbit. To that end, the NASA Authorization Act of 2008 makes clear that any human exploration initiative to return to the Moon and venture to other destinations in the solar system should be undertaken as a cooperative international undertaking under U.S. leadership--and that such a cooperative approach will have the best chance of being successfully sustained if the President is personally involved in inviting our friends and allies to participate in such a venture.

It is clear that the 21st century will see the emergence and growth of ambitious human space flight programs carried out by a number of nations. It is not in our national interest to get drawn into rerunning a "space race" that we already won almost 40 years ago. Instead, we should be looking to leverage that emerging global interest to promote a peaceful, cooperative approach to space exploration under American leadership. Such an approach can provide a compelling "soft power" rationale for NASA's human exploration program and be an approach that will deliver clear benefits to America beyond just the demonstration of our technological prowess and national commitment to space exploration.

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Interesting (#94192)
by Bird Dog

I like the "two-planet species" concept with a heavy dose of O'Neill. To contrast the candidates, Obama said nothing about Mars, and McCain is in favor of a manned spaceflight there.

One quibble about Obama's comments as it relates to NASA's mission. The space agency doesn't have a clear mission because, ultimately, the president is the person who defines the mission. By passing off the mission fuzziness to NASA, Obama is eliding on the issue. The buck stops with him. He's the one who sets the course and the NASA types are the ones who try to figure out how to accomplish it.

McCain is talking about manned spaceflight to Mars, which sounds clearer and less wonky than talking about CEVs. Put another way, McCain is talking about a mission and Obama is talking about hardware. The real question is, what do the candidates want to accomplish with that hardware?

For me, I'd rather McCain say that we should have manned colonization of Mars. The question then becomes, what resources will we allocate to make it happen. Considering the spending and tax proposals already out there, I don't see much in the way spending increases, but by laying it out there, at least there is a vision as to where we ultimately want to go.

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If McCain said we should colonize Mars. (#94197)
by Bill White

My opinion of him would go significantly upwards. The Bush administration uses the term "permanent human presence" which is painfully ambiguous since a Sagan-ite science station would qualify under that definition.

Of course how we define "we" ("We should settle Mars") is an interesting exercise. If NASA ran a Mars settlement program would "affirmative action" principles apply to choosing colonists? Even me (leftie Bill) is concerned that such an approach might prove awkward.

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As this post is about space travel (#94178)
by Bill White

I have selected the "Travel" tag.

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Ha...I like your formulation: (#94180)
by mmghosh

Saganites = weak knee'ed communitarians
O'Neillites = adventurous free marketeering liberals
Von Braunites = lantern-jawed fascists

And so on.

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