Throw the Dice High


That is Douglas Muir's "half-informed, amateur war analysis" of what Georgian leader Saakashvili has done by attempting to seize South Ossetia.

Why did Saakashvili try this now? — Here’s my guess, based on my impression of Saakashvili’s character.

Saakashvili is an ardent nationalist who doesn’t view the disputes with Russia rationally. To him, they’re painful and continuing insults to the national soul.

More importantly, Saakashvili is a gambler.

Key strategic and tactical details:

South Ossetia has always been vulnerable to a blitzkrieg attack. It’s small, it’s not very populous (~70,000 people), and it’s surrounded by Georgia on three sides. It’s very rugged and mountainous, yes, but it’s not suited to defense in depth. There’s only one town of any size (Tsikhinvali, the capital) and only one decent road connecting the province with Russia.

That last point bears emphasizing. There’s just one road, and it goes through a tunnel. There are a couple of crappy roads over the high passes, but they’re in dreadful condition; they can’t support heavy equipment, and are closed by snow from September to May. Strategically, South Ossetia dangles by that single thread.

So, there was always this temptation: a fast determined offensive could capture Tsikhinvali, blow up or block the tunnel, close the road, and then sit tight. If it worked, the Russians would then be in a very tricky spot: yes, they outnumber the Georgians 20 to 1, but they’d have to either drop in by air or attack over some very high, nasty mountains. This seems to be what the Georgians are trying to do: attack fast and hard, grab Tsikhinvali, and close the road.

Lawyers Guns and Money has more:

Small, weak states living next to abrasive, unpredictable great powers need to be extremely careful about what they do; in most cases, their foreign policy should, first and foremost, be about avoiding war with the great power. This is what Saakashvili failed to do. The war didn't need to escalate; it was a Georgian decision to move from the village skirmishes that were happening on Tuesday to the siege of Tsikhinvali on Thursday.

Concerning the gamble to seize and close that tunnel:

It looks right now as if that strategy has failed. The Russians seem to have been able to deploy a substantial armored force in South Ossetia, and also seem to control the sky. Of course, we don't know what things will look like tomorrow, but right now they don't look good for Georgian efforts to close the road. And if the Georgians can't close the road, they are in very serious trouble. Indeed, even if they do close the road they might be in trouble; the other way that the Russians might get into South Ossetia is to go through Georgia. That would be an escalation, but the Russians might be tempted by their overwhelming theater superiority, and by the stakes.

Whither now? Farley of Lawyers Guns and Money also writes:

The stakes for Putin and Medvedev are also extremely high. I think that they could have given up on South Ossetia without taking a severe domestic hit; their popularity is solid, Russia is still making plenty of money (even with oil dropping), and Abkhazia has always been the more important of the two frozen conflicts. Now that they're committed, however, I suspect that it will be very hard for Putin and Medvedev to disengage. It's war; anything can happen, and if the Georgians somehow manage to pull it out, it's a political disaster for the Russian leadership. The Putin dynasty's legitimacy is based around the idea of Russian national resurgence, and if a ridiculous little country like Georgia manages to give the Russian Empire a bloody nose and get away with it, Putin and Medvedev become vulnerable. This, I think, is the most dangerous part of the crisis for Georgia. Russia will pull out the stops to win this war; if they can't win easy, then they'll win hard, because Russia's leadership really doesn't want to be beaten.

And here is Newsweek:

Saakashvili also can't afford to lose. He came to power in a landslide victory in 2004 promising to bring back the rebel provinces. But as Russia has grown more oil rich and assertive, so Moscow's diplomatic and practical support for the breakaway Georgian enclaves has grown—and the chances of Tbilisi ever recovering them has shrunk. Most citizens of Abkhazia and South Ossetia have been issued Russian passports and are eligible for Russian pensions; in April, the Russian Duma passed a law authorizing official ties with the rebel republics. At the same time, NATO caved in to Russian pressure and declined to give Georgia the clear invitation to membership it had sought. "The message Saakashvili got from that was: it's now or never," says one senior Western diplomat in Moscow not authorized to speak on the record. "The assault [on Tskhinvali] was a gamble."

It's a gamble that could backfire badly. Saakashvili may have made exactly the mistake Russia wanted him to make—giving Kremlin hawks the excuse to fill Ossetia with Russian tanks, bloody the Georgian Army's nose and destroy his chances of re-election. Saakashvili's appeals to the West for help are unlikely to elicit any practical response, other than diplomatic hand-wringing. There's little doubt that tiny Georgia has little chance against the might of the refurbished Russian Army in an all-out war. So far, one of the brightest young leaders of the former Soviet space is set to destroy the other.

Unfortunately, the United States has no good options. More from Farley:

Russia gets to demonstrate her power, solve two of the Frozen Conflicts (the Georgians are never getting Abkhazia back if Russia wins here), and humiliate the United States, all at the same time. They hit the trifecta if they win this war.

If the war develops as expected, and Russia pounds Georgia until the latter cries uncle, the United States will have suffered a substantial political setback. Hegemony or no, the United States will have been unable to give significant military aid to an Iraq War ally facing the prospect of interstate war. This isn't the end of the world, but it's not great.

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Joshua Trevino posts on Ossetia (#108998)
by Bill White

Link

The first thing to understand about the war between Russia and Georgia is that Georgia has lost. . . .

So much for the probable outcome. What remains is what, if anything, America should do. . . .

If there is a rationale for American action, it lies in our self interest in showing that our friends may count upon us. Georgia fought alongside us in Iraq, and there is some debt owed for that. In that vein, we might commit ourselves to resupply — though not direct to forces in the field — and we might guarantee Georgian sovereignty, though not Georgian territorial integrity. Short of a threatened extermination of Georgia (which does not seem at issue), there is nothing at stake here to justify a US-Russia war. Those accustomed to invoking appeasement and Munich at moments of foreign crisis may recoil at this — but that historical parallel is barely applicable here. Russian Putinism, for all it rightly repels our moral sensibilities, is not an existential foe of the West like Nazism, Communism, or Islamism. Its advance is not intrinsically our loss.

He also writes that the President of Georgia acted stupidly.

Yet if the Russians acted with malice, the Georgians under Saakashvili acted with stupidity.

I concur.

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Agreed (#109005)
by Spartacvs

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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The Only Thing That Bothers Me in Josh's Musings on This.... (#109002)
by Traveller

...is what is becoming to be the accepted view, that Saakashvili, "acted with stupidity."

He may not have acted at all. I just saw a video of a wounded Georgian soldier saying that he was just maintaining his position when...he was attacked, (by Russians)...and everyone just started firing everything.

Which sounds about right....scared soldiers shooting everything. Matter may well have been out of the hands of Saakashvili...and considering the speed and strength of the Russian Response....I would not put it past Putin & Co in having started this war, planned this war, timed it exactly for the day before yesterday....the start of the Olympics.

Mr. Trivino does not know if Saakashvili was being stupid or not.

Best Wishes, Traveller

It's been brinksmanship since July. (#109004)
by BlaiseP

Both sides have been playing the Oh Yeah? game since the spring. Georgia couldn't deal with Abkhazia or Ossetia, Russia's been moving troops in ever since. Saakashvili's bluff was called, and now the doo-doo has hit the whirling blades of fate.

King Arthur's last battle began with an innocent mistake, a man pulls his sword to strike at a snake. Who can say with any authority how such things begin? Wars don't work that way, they assume a state of irrevocable motion, dark juggernauts, lurching forward. They begin long before the shooting war.

Insofar as Georgia plays the merry idiot in Abkahzia and Ossetia (#109001)
by BlaiseP

there is little we can do to save them from the consequences of their actions. George Kennan once said something to the effect that Russia will only tolerate vassal states and enemies on its borders.

What can we do? Russia will be badly bloodied in this go-round, they will find Georgia far more troublesome than even Chechnya. Russia may have found its own Iraq: a prideful state harassing smaller states. Now they are invading, to what end? There is no Beria to crush the Georgians down to a pulp and feed them to the gulags. Russia has been given a black eye: even if they win this fight, they have lost in the court of world opinion. They, like the USA, will win all the battles and lose this war.

Update from blogger in Tblisi (#108946)
by Bill White


Link

Parliament will by all accounts declare war and martial law this afternoon. More details as they become available.

Given the relative size of the Georgian and Russian military this won't last long.

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Bloomberg.com offers context (#108941)
by Bill White

South Ossetia has a population of about 70,000 and is connected to Russia's North Ossetia region by a tunnel through the Caucasus Mountains. Most South Ossetian residents hold Russian passports.

Georgia is a key link in a U.S.-backed ``southern energy corridor'' that connects the Caspian Sea region with world markets, bypassing Russia. The BP Plc-led Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline to Turkey runs about 100 kilometers (60 miles) south of the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali.

The U.S. seeks to connect Central Asia natural gas supplies with European markets, skirting Russia in an attempt to weaken the grip of Russia's state-run OAO Gazprom energy company. One planned pipeline route runs from the Georgia-Turkey border.

NATO in April committed itself to bringing Georgia into the alliance without providing a timeframe or a clear path toward membership -- as Bush had pushed for -- out of concern it would antagonize Russia. Putin has called the expansion of NATO toward Russian frontiers a ``direct threat'' and likened South Ossetia's drive for independence to Kosovo's from Serbia.

Link

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As Does www.air-defense.net.... (#108942)
by Traveller

Stolen from Comments over at Fistful of Euros:

http://www.air-defense.net/Forum_AD/index.php?topic=11015.msg320339#msg3...

“Pour info, j’ai eu une entrevue privée avec le président Saakashvili la veille au soir du déclenchement des combats, dans son bureau, et il s’apprêtait à partir pour les JO de Pékin… De même, l’un des responsables de l’OSCE sur place, en charge de l’Ossétie du Sud, rencontré le même jour à Tbilissi, ne prévoyait absolument pas ce qui est en train de se passer. Il ne s’agit donc pas, à mon avis, d’une attaque coordonnée à l’avance par Tbilissi mais d’une escalade qui a dégénéré très rapidement, prenant tout le monde de court (Géorgiens inclus).
Bon, j’arrête là et essaierai de reprendre le fil dans quelques heures.”

rough translation:

For info, I had a private interview with president Saakashvili a day before the fighting, in his office, and he was getting ready to leave for Beijing…
An official from the OSCE, in charge of South Ossetia, met the same day in Tbilissi, didn’t predict anything about the fighting.It is not, in my opinion, a coordinated attack by Tbilissi but an escalation that got out of control very quickly and caught everybody by suprise”.

Ahem, Available Forces.... (#108943)
by Traveller

According to Sky News:

Georgia has 26,900 troops, Russia has 641,000.
Georgia has 82 tanks, Russia has 6,717.
Georgia has 7 combat aircraft, Russia has 1,200.

But Georgia has interior lines of communication and defense....lol

So technically does a nest of ants in relation to my shoe...still, these military assets notwithstanding...the ant hill is squished.

Traveller

The Great Game (#108929)
by HankP

is just beginning. I talked about one step here, just take a look at this map and tell me what you think is going on. It also screws us as far as Iran is concerned, as it severely restricts how oil and gas from all of central Asia can be delivered, with only a narrow corridor of Azerbaijan and Armenia left open. My guess is that any settlement by Russia will (implicitly) involve energy distribution issues.

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I blame it all on the Internet

Yep, and that is why John McCain has been such an (#108931)
by Bill White

advocate for Georgia.

Putin is drinking our (as in the GOP's) milkshake with respect to Central Asian strategy. But that was your thesis a few days ago, correct?

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Also (#108935)
by HankP

what does "advocate for Georgia" mean? It's not like we're going to get involved and do anything.

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I blame it all on the Internet

Yep, kinda like how JFK advocated for the folks (#108936)
by Bill White

at the Bay of Pigs

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They're playing chess (#108934)
by HankP

I'm sure they'll be happy to engage in negotiations that don't go anywhere until they get what they want. Exactly what leverage would the US bring to the negotiating tale at this point anyway?

I think when Bush famously "looked into Putin's soul" Putin did some looking back and was relieved at what he saw - a mark.

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I blame it all on the Internet

Look at the photos of Putin and Bush in Beijing (#108937)
by Bill White

Putin looks like a predator who recently fed and Bush looks like a worried deer in the headlights.

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Nice set of summary (#108924)
by Steve Peterson

Nice set of summary quotes!

original post wrote:
the Russians might be tempted by their overwhelming theater superiority, and by the stakes.

-- and, most importantly, by the national desire to re-exert some of the strength of the Old Bear.

This is very reminiscent to me of the Falklands War.

But I strongly disagree with:

If the war develops as expected, and Russia pounds Georgia until the latter cries uncle, the United States will have suffered a substantial political setback.

Everything that goes wrong in the world is NOT the U.S.'s responsibility. I think it'd be worthwhile for the next president to go a bit further establishing that America doesn't have the Green Lantern, Superman, and Wonder Woman around.

As long as the U.S. can help broker a reasonable peace between the two nations, that'll be a good job.

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Steven Palmer Peterson

We owe Georgia for helping us in Iraq . . . (#108925)
by Bill White

A failure to assist our allies (a staunch ally) is a defeat for us.

Are we morally culpable? Nope. Not one iota as I cannot imagine either the State Department or the Pentagon gave Georgia a green light.

And yet, whither US air support at the Bay of Pigs? MacArthur crossing the Yalu? Hungary 1956? Prague 1968?

Taiwan 20xx?

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I think the best way to (#108926)
by Steve Peterson

I think the best way to repay that debt is by brokering a peace.

We won't and shouldn't come to Taiwan's defense if they start occupying islands in the straight either -- though we should if China launches attacks unilaterally.

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Steven Palmer Peterson

Going forward, I agree with you (#108928)
by Bill White

However, once that peace is brokered, our global position will be lessened from what it was last week.

That brokered peace WILL include a Georgian agreement to grant greater autonomy to South Ossetia and Abkhazia (and that means greater Russian influence over a key pipeline route).

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Getting Their Troops Home. . . (#108927)
by M Scott Eiland

. . .should help too--if they can bring their full military might to bear and still find it inadequate, their pride may let them seek a peaceful solution. If we refuse to help and they are forced to continue short-handed, they may resent our refusal and blame us even if the practical effect of the shortfall was actually negligible--along with holding on far longer than they might have otherwise out of sheer stubbornness.

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Second answer (#108932)
by Bill White

Putin would be a fool to seek more than a victory in South Ossetia and Abkhazia -- but that shall be victory enough.

Leave Georgia alone once they say "uncle" on those two provinces. And Georgia's Iraq contingent is woefully insufficient to change that outcome.

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Yah -- 2000 troops isn't (#108933)
by Steve Peterson

Yah -- 2000 troops isn't going to make a difference militarily here.

But definitely bring them home on our ticket -- in style and hopefully to a hero's welcome.

The likely outcome (and perhaps best reasonably possible one at this time) is for Russia to re-prove its masculinity, and Georgia to eat some pride, but retain its borders, albeit with more autonomy for S. Ossetia.

If Russia tries to do more than that, then there's the danger of a real conflict with the U.S.

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Steven Palmer Peterson

I do not see any benefit for Russia in seeking more (#108938)
by Bill White

than increased autonomy for Ossetia and that other province.

But that is a HUGE defeat for the Georgian President.

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Yah -- he over-extended (#108940)
by Steve Peterson

Yah -- he over-extended himself and put his country in a terrible position. His career is over.

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Steven Palmer Peterson

Yep, but would you cut a deal with Putin? (#108930)
by Bill White

US: "Look Vlad, we all know you will win this. But let us land some C-5 Galaxies with great fanfare, and in total safety, and maybe you and I can craft some WIN + WIN, here"

Russia: "Persuade Saakashvili to resign and give him an apartment in New York and its a deal."

US: "Do you promise no polonium poisonings?"

Russia: [shrugs]

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A key quote (IMHO) (#108923)
by Bill White

Re: NATO membership rejected

"The message Saakashvili got from that was: it's now or never," says one senior Western diplomat in Moscow not authorized to speak on the record. "The assault [on Tskhinvali] was a gamble."

and this

Saakashvili's appeals to the West for help are unlikely to elicit any practical response, other than diplomatic hand-wringing. There's little doubt that tiny Georgia has little chance against the might of the refurbished Russian Army in an all-out war.

We failed to anticipate something we needed to anticipate, at least if we desire to be an imperial power.

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We are aware of all internet traditions (#108922)
by Bill White

Is a terrific slogan for Lawyers Guns and Money.

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