The incredibly lifelike talking point Dembots

Bird Dog's picture

Obama hired this one, who then hired this one and Anita Dunn as advisors to help her "tone down" her rhetoric. Poor personnel choice on the part of DWS. Obama, too, for that matter, in hiring the ILTPD in the first place. Digging the hole deeper, the president of NOW weighed in, trying to defend Ms. Rosen's indefensible comments. I guess O'Neill and Waters--and Slow Joe, too--didn't get the memo from Barry. Funny that this all started because the putative GOP nominee said that he listens to his wife. The audacity. Also funny was Rosen's unapologetic apology. Romney should just sit back, enjoy the show, stay away from false claims his own self, and give serious thought to picking a wise Latina for a running mate. This has been...

 

 

...one of those weeks. Matthew Continetti has it right. There isn't a war on women, there is a war for women's votes.

 

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Oh, Mitt, Mitt, Mitt.

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If your campaign's going to go on a warpath when some political staffer suggests that stay-at-home parenting (for rich people) isn't "work," your staffers should first make sure you never said anything like this:

"I said, for instance, that even if you have a child 2 years of age, you need to go to work. And people said, 'Well that's heartless.' And I said, 'No, no, I'm willing to spend more giving day care to allow those parents to go back to work. It'll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.'"

Because moms with six or seven homes and hired help are doing dignified, important work that is worth valuing. But single moms with families below the poverty line living off of state assistance? What the hell? That isn't work! Get those lazy broads out of the house so they can earn their keep and learn what it's like to work for a living! Two year olds need a parent at home? Feh. That's what minimum wage daycare employees are for.

 

Romney campaign begins epic backpedaling effort in 5... 4... 3....

 

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

This is a real problem for Romney

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HankP's picture

he tried so hard to be moderate (and even liberal) when he ran for governor of Massachusetts that it seems on virtually every issue there's a public pronouncement that he made then that directly contradicts what he's saying now. When a politician has to explain on just about every issue that he doesn't believe now what he believed then (all of 9 years ago) it gets old pretty fast.

I blame it all on the Internet

Live by the BS

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Die by the BS

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

LOL

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Lol.

That's it, the election is over

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HankP's picture

Obama shouldn't even bother mounting a campaign.

I blame it all on the Internet

Ummm, brutus....

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Jay C's picture

You might want to re-read Hank's no. 278606 again: I realize it's very much out-of-character for him*, but I'm pretty sure this comment is meant to be snark....

 

But, on a more serious note, I have the sinking feeling that phony, ginned-up fauxtrage campaigns like the Hilary Rosen/Ann Romney flap are probably going to become more common from the GOP as the campaign season wears on - dead common - and will probably get progressively worse in both viciousness and vacuity. It's hard to see what substantive issues, outside of inchoate hate, resentment and self-righteousness, the Republicans have to run on this year: distracting the potential voting public with puerile personality issues is probably seen as a winning tactic....

 

 

*Yes, this too is snark.

This reply fits as well here as anywhere else

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brutusettu's picture

[url=http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/04/attention/comment-page-1#comment-253109]link[/url] ....as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced, and then only Obama [u]and the likely inordinately worse on every front Romney[/u], were left in the fray.

 

Is there a good reason for any non-Democrat die hard not to vote Socialist Party or "worse" now, after this "controversy"?

Is there even a controversy for anyone that hasn't basically never voted for a Democrat?

If this is a controversy for the people that almost exclusively vote GOP, then Romney might as well just claimed he sunk the USS Indianapolis and created man eating sharks ex nihilio because of Socialism's evilness and then somehow gain votes.

 

I have the slightest of clues what people that generally think GOP>Dems but, there is no way that this is a net winner for Romney.

Yawn...

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Do you... does anyone... think this is important?

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Memeorandum does

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Bird Dog's picture

It's been the top story the past two days, thanks to Rosen's inept responses and hole-digging by her defenders.

 

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

--Barack Obama, January 2009

And in six to twelve months it will be so obscure

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an event that it won't qualify for a future edition of Trivial Pursuit.

"I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)

As Will Sandra Fluke

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Unless the Democrats decide to keep pushing, in which case things might get a tad louder--and with Santorum's death rattle and Gingrich on his last legs, the Democrats suddenly have a lot fewer convenient punching bags in a war they decided to wage.

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

Uh huh

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HankP's picture

because one comment that "she hasn't worked a day in her life" from one person is just like Rush Limbaugh and a whole bunch of righties calling a woman a slut - they're exactly equivalent. Exactly.

I blame it all on the Internet

Speaking of talking-point bots...

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Jay C's picture

So what, actually, IS so "indefensible" about Hilary Rosen's comments? It may have been poorly worded - OK, I'll even grant "borderline rude" - but is it in any way non-factual? Has Ann Romney actually "worked" - in the sense of doing something, either for herself or for somebody else for which she earned money - a day in her life? It's good for her and her family that she hasn't had to, but trying to spin this as some sort of diss against "stay-at-home moms" is just so much phoney-baloney concern-trolling. Which does, however serve to mask the fact that old Mitt has made yet another Clueless-Rich-Guy gaffe illustrating yet again his fundamental grasp of Not-Getting-Tt about how economic matters affect the lives of ordinary Americans.

 

 

"his wife has actually never worked a day in her life"

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Bird Dog's picture

I'll just note that Rosen added none of the qualifiers that you wished she had.

"Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency."

--Barack Obama, January 2009

What "qualifiers"?

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Jay C's picture

I took the phraseology directly from Hilary Rosen's quote (from your link at WSJ): 

 

Here's what Rosen said on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees": "What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country saying, well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues. And when I listen to my wife, that's what I'm hearing. Guess what, his wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing."

 

For me, I wish she had made her point using different language entirely, but there you have it....

And I Wish That Terry Forster Hadn't Thrown That. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .gopher ball to Joe Morgan in 1982. She said what she said, and the "running away from a plague victim" reaction by Democrats suggests strongly that everyone who matters knows that this was a catastrophic blunder. Hope she's got savings, because odds are that new clients will be next to nonexistent and many old clients will be going elsewhere.

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

What is this "reaction by Democrats"

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brutusettu's picture

Clue me in, I haven't see this "running away from a plague victim" yet. Unless there is a boatload of other qualifiers to add to what Rosen said, she seems like she was talking about "(work with) respect to economic issues."
- I have only seen glancing shock, dismay, and bussed in stay-at-home moms to appear on Fox News straight news programs that are saying that Rosen is straight up dissing them.
-The only reactions I've seen so far are people being confused as all Hades that this is some kind of issue on its face.

---Because as of right now, it looks like if Deion Sanders said, "with respect to football, I definitely still deserve to be in the Hall of Fame," and Steve Lyons claiming Deion just doesn't have the stats needed for Cooperstown and he has never deserved to be there.

Kevin Williamson Explains It All For Us

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M Scott Eiland's picture

Conclusion: Ann Romney is economically a hell of a lot smarter than Hilary Rosen. :

The marginal value of the wages earned in a typical C-level career would have been almost nothing to the Romneys. But there is that other scarce resource: parental time.

It is difficult to put a dollar value on parental time, but it is clear that to the Romneys one hour of Mrs. Romney’s time at home with the family was worth far more than one hour in C-level wages; further, a 2,000-hour annual block of time invested in earning C-level wages would have fundamentally changed the character of the Romney household for the worse, while providing negligible economic benefit. Instead, she provided the family with a critical good that Mr. Romney, for all his riches, could not acquire without her cooperation. If we think of the household as a household, Ann Romney’s decision to stay at home makes perfect economic sense: Her decision to be a full-time mother enormously improved the quality of life for Mr. Romney, for the couple’s five sons, and — let’s not overlook this critical factor — for Mrs. Romney herself.

Mrs. Romney’s personal investment model — marry a man who turns out to be wildly successful in business and politics, escape the tedium of what is sometimes described romantically as “a career,” have five children and the pleasure of raising them — is not open to everybody, of course: The supply of future centimillionaires is limited, and they are not easy to identify. But making intelligent decisions about forming a household and about the division of labor within that household is an option open to many of us, though unhappily not to all of us, given the state of the family.

Ms. Rosen’s remarks were criticized as being snide; the real problem is that they were stupid.

In Ms. Rosen's defense, she apparently is capable of getting a clue when to stop digging:

“Not going on #MTP this weekend. I’m going to be a mom who stays home.”

Good choice--have a cookie.

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

What the heck is Williamson talking about?

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brutusettu's picture

I need more input to why that is Kevin Williamson isn't going on some rant about how Brits are crazy for thinking Wayne Rooney would make a great pro footballer in the states.

Bold by me
[quote]She's [b]never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues[/b] that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and how do we -- why do we worry about their future?[/quote]

Call me crazy, but to me, there looks to be some sort of qualifier in there.

Williamson, bold by me
[quote][b]the marginal value of (over a quarter of a million dollars every year) would have been almost nothing to the Romneys[/b].[/quote]

Hoisted by his own petard?

Williamson inadvertently proves that which he set out to disprove, while not even knowing it?

I would like to know how Williamson didn't write something along the lines of:
"What you mean Ann Romney never needed to worry about making ends meet? Her husband makes so gods damn much that a quarter million a year in extra income would have been next to nothing! [u]Spending time with your kids is invaluable and Chewbacca is a wookie[/u]."

No one is disputing the underlined portion above btw, it's just that both look, smell, and feel like red herrings wrt what Rosen actually said afaik.

I'm not sure it's a matter of whether the comments are

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true or not. It's a matter of class.  To his credit, Obama seems to get that.  There's really nothing difficult to understand about leaving families out of the mix.  So Rosen will get a bIt skull-drug for this...that's a good thing in my opinion.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Who are we talking about? -nt-

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"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Mrs. Romney being concerned about making ends meet?

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brutusettu's picture

As for Fox News, they're turning the dials up to 11 to protect stay at home mom workers from giant windmill monsters.....and Before sitting down here, I was literally just thinking that issue was a smaller deal than 24/7 HLN coverage of whatever they cover.

longer quote:
[quote]With respect to economic issues, I think actually that Mitt Romney is right, that ultimately women care more about the economic well-being of their families and the like. But there's -- but he doesn't connect on that issue either. What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country saying, well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues. And when I listen to my wife, that's what I'm hearing. Guess what, his wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and how do we -- why do we worry about their future? So I think it's -- yes, it's about these positions and, yes, I think there will be a war of words about the positions, but there's something much more fundamental about Mitt Romney. He seems so old- fashioned when it comes to women. [/quote]

F**k Ann Romney and the dressage horse she rode in on

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At some point in the future whilst the wingnut pundits are busy licking the soles of their job creator overlords in the good seats at thunderdome, they maybe, might come to the conclusion that it's a little easier being a stay at home mom when said mom is a multi millionaire. link.

Don't drop F-bombs

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especially as some folks read the site at work.

 

(I've put an asterisk in the offending word.)

Added another one...

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...and cleaned up the link also.

 

Both for the sake of the rules and to continue to be corporate firewall friendly, as I believe we possibly are.

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

If you drop F-bombs, then you get warnings.

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When you get warnings, you feel self-conscious.

 

When you feel self-conscious, you get plastic surgery.

 

When you get plastic surgery, you have a creepy permanent smile.

 

When you have a creepy permanent smile, you become a talk show host.

 

Don't become a talk show host. Avoid F-bombs.

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

I don't know how Hank or MA did it

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mmghosh's picture

but the Forvm is not blocked at any workplace I'm in. Almost all other blogs, religious sites, political and sports sites are blocked. Even Real Climate in some places. Is it a Drupal thing?

freedom is a fundamental value that does not need to be justified in terms of some other value like efficiency

Benefits of being

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virtually unknown on the internet. :)

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Yup...

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That's our magic trick: Lack of ambition. We made no effort, nor has anybody else, to turn our little private club into Walmart. This is somewhat deliberate. Some proposals have been made to raise our profile, but there is some awareness that we don't want quantity. The only concern I have, and I assume others do also, is that our lack of growth leads to eventual demise. Ideally, we want very slight growth. Not sure how to do that.

 

That, and we have our own domain on a generic ISP. No Blogger account or IP address.

 

One more thing, to the extent automated tools are used for blacklisting, our lack of profanity may also be a factor, but I am not sure about this.

This was clear enough to Larkin, whose patriotism rested on the notion that England was the worst place on earth with the possible exception of everywhere else.

I'd like more participation from a Chinese/Japanese member

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mmghosh's picture

or Korean/Taiwanese.  You're right, we don't need a huge number, just the right person will do. This is partly selfish in my case as it is the only part of the world where I do not [i]know[/i] anyone.  I see from the map we have a lot of hits in Korea.

freedom is a fundamental value that does not need to be justified in terms of some other value like efficiency

But Mannish, this is an American blog

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which means when the Chinese or Japanese type it'll be a good 10 seconds until the words show up on their screen.  Also, a Chinese guy (or girl I suppose) is at a disadvantage.  They get the upper hand in an argument, somebody posts a link to butterfly knives, they scream 'Butterfly Knives!!!' and run away.

If you think I've lost my mind then you should catch some 'Kung Fu Theater' when you're over here.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Mannish, I wasn't talking about connectivity

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I was referring to the crappy voice-overs in karate movies.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Hmmm, is it me, or are some comments replying to the wrong

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comment?

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Its you. n/t

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mmghosh's picture

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freedom is a fundamental value that does not need to be justified in terms of some other value like efficiency

Ummm

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HankP's picture

China's internet speeds are slower than the US, Japan and South Korea are significantly faster.

I blame it all on the Internet

I think you'll find the Chinese/Japanese/Koreans use

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mmghosh's picture

the Net pretty adeptly. The Koreans might even have better connectivity.  As for your vision of East Asians, there are only 2 words my friend.  John. Woo.

freedom is a fundamental value that does not need to be justified in terms of some other value like efficiency

I See Your "The Killer". . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .and raise you with. . .:

Chow Yun Fat totally rules.

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

I feel he was miscast in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"

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mmghosh's picture

though, as the impassive Zen warrior.  Have you seen it?  He does better when the violence is emtionally connected - almost redemptive in some way - wherein he needs Mr Woo as director.

 

Great clip, btw. 

freedom is a fundamental value that does not need to be justified in terms of some other value like efficiency

Guessing from Context

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korea = micky love

Posting Rules -nt-

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M Scott Eiland's picture

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. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

To Heck With Everyone At the Obama Administration for Piling On

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Rosen for telling the exact truth...the only part of the Rude Pudit I can quote:

 

Rosen didn't say a go**amned thing that was wrong when she offered that Ann Romney "has actually never worked a day in her life."

Ann Romney has lived a privileged, pampered life and she has done nothing that anyone would associate with a "job," and that includes her stay-at-home mothering, readily assisted by nannies and servants. She has a degree in French from Harvard and her major activity is dressage (which, apparently, is some fancy horse thing involving riding crops and jodhpurs and jaunty hats). Rosen was addressing Mitt Romney's remark that he listens to Ann on economic issues affecting women. Mitt Romney getting advice on the economy from his wife is like him getting foreign policy advice from Seamus, the roof-riding family dog.

 

And that's just about true.

 

Traveller

My Friend. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .if you can convince the Democrats to state this explicitly, I will buy you a drink the next time I'm in LA (which will be in mid-June, by the way--I'm trying to make arrangements to take in a Dodger game with Harley and Steve Peterson if schedules will permit).

. . .and Don Mattingly must be fired (bye Ned--don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out!).

Well, Yes, Lack of Political Courage and Honesty is....a Failing

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...in our current political discourse.

 

I will note that as I'm finishing the Biography of James K. Polk, a very interesting President, political rhetoric was much more severe than it is now.

 

Not to be a Wig politician myself, but when they call Polk out and say it is an illegal war, unconstitutional, without honor and with the only purpose of killing Mexicans unjustly and steal their land....that's what they wrote and printed.

 

Politics were pretty viscous back then.

 

So yes, I think the Dems should call Romney out on their wealth and detachment from the concerns of most of us. (I will note that Ms. Romney deserves full props for overcoming MS and being a breast cancer survivor and raising a family with these illnesses....which is not to say she worked a lick in the market place)

 

Traveller

I'd love to have

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A beer with Romney but he won't even drink a coffee.

Oh and f@ck Anne Romney and her multimillionaire child care experience..

Do the Romneys use nannies & housekeepers?

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I'd assume multiple ones, you know, for each house. Since we're blaring this story all over the place, it seems worth finding out.

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

The Romnies use nannies, the nannies use...

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...housekeeprs.  For the life of me I don't know why I bother explaining this sort of thing to you gray-clad unwashed wage slaves.  BTW the Romnies don't use gardeners or pool boys, they unionized and now bag mulch at Walmart.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Just noticed an anagram for Romney: R Money. -nt-

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"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes

Just noticed you replied to yourself.

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We really ought to discourage those 'Lemme tell me what I think.' sort of comments.

In the medical community, death is known as Chuck Norris Syndrome. 

Just coined a name for this scandal: Momneygate.

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This service is absolutely free, folks.

"Hell is truth seen too late." --Thomas Hobbes