How to Marry an Illegal Immigrant

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This is more of a question, but feel free to chime in with your thoughts about your opinion on the subject!

I have a friend (seriously, not me) who is thinking of doing their female illegal immigrant friend a favor by marrying her so that she wouldn't have to fear being deported.

I know there are some lawyerly types here, so I'm wondering if there is anything he can be in fear of by taking part in this. I asked him what he was getting out of this, and he said nothing--that it just seemed like a nice thing to do for a good friend. I don't think he likes her enough to chance going to jail for her though!

Anyone have any knowledge of this kind of situation?

To not make this a complete bleg, I'll fully disclose that I'm for strict immigration enforcement, whether it requires a wall or the military or whatever, but also that legal immigration should be expanded and that almost all those in this country illegally should be given a chance to become legal, seeing as it makes absolutely ZERO sense to spend the money to kick them out, regardless of their wrong-doing.

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Since This is Now The Love Thread...How to Kill Your Wife...

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A 77-year-old Italian man has been arrested after shooting dead his wife as she lay in hospital.

Police in the Tuscan city of Prato said the man shot his 82-year-old wife, who had Alzheimer's disease, three times in full view of medical staff.

The man told police he did it because he could not stand to see her suffer.

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Now this is devotion and love.

Cool.

Good on 'em.

Best Wishes, Traveller

A Bit Inconsiderate. . .

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M Scott Eiland's picture

. . .to the hospital staff, though--probably scared the heck out of them before they got a handle about what was going on, and left them in a position of having to testify in a murder trial. It reminds me of the people who decide to off themselves and decide to throw themselves in front of a car or a train--it's selfish to drag other people into your decision to kill yourself. Not to mention that his wife probably wouldn't have wanted to see him spend the rest of his life in prison--he should have figured out a way to get her alone and found a less violent way to kill her that wouldn't be obvious. Still not ideal, but a lot less messy and traumatic than what happened here.

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--from Ulysses, by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

A close friend of mine hopped in front of a train

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a few yrs. back.

The inconvenience to the people who had to clean up the mess or were startled by the event etc. was probably small in comparison to the pain caused to those close to the deceased. I'd bet that's generally the case.

Family and friends are almost always dragged into suicides -- my guess is that many folk who are suicidal just aren't thinking clearly about the consequences of their actions during the final stages. I don't know that 'seflish' really applies.

That said, jumping in front of a car is pretty traumatic for the person driving, not to mention steering into traffic as if it's some kind of impersonal force. At least with my friend, I'm convinced it was a spur of the moment decision that I've struggled to understand. I've never really got there, but I don't think our normal categories of rational vs. irrational, selfish vs. unselfish, etc. are particularly helpful.

You want to hear inconsiderate? Check this out

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Horrible story. I (obliquely, through a friend of a friend) knew one of the dead. The woman was just sentenced. Big story here in Chicago.

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Love, Love, Love...On a much more Positve Note.....

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....if your friend loved this illegal alien, I would tell him, (or her), go for it. The process is difficult and Byzantine, but so what? I know scads of people that have accomplished this....it's no big, (if you are in love).

Study up on it, ask advice, follow the rules and it will be done.

In fact I know a much older guy, I mean older, that just accomplished this with a young woman with a past, if you know what I mean. Interestingly, his adult children are okay with this.

Which also means that maybe he raised his kids pretty damned well. I have doubts at how this will work out, but then I have doubts about everything...my defining characteristic is doubt.

They seem happy and that should be good enough for anyone.

Best Wishes, Traveller

My ex-wife married a man from Australia

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Their initial application for him to have permanent residency and a green card was rejected. Knowing my ex, I'm sure she screwed things up somewhere along the line, but, that being said, the US immigration process is complex and difficult to navigate. There's no automatic pass if you marry an American Citizen, even if you're a well-educated, English-speaking applicant from a friendly nation.

Guard, protect and cherish your land, for there is no afterlife for a place that started out as Heaven.

I have a step brother who married an illegal immigrant

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from mexico. They had two kids who were born here in the US and are citizens.

They have been in the thick of the process of trying to make her legal for over 2 yrs. She is getting trouble from both the US and Mexico. Currently she is down in Mexico and has been there for 6 months with her children, and it is unclear when the process will be completed.

I think we should loosen up the laws, but given what they are this is a tremendous ordeal that will involve interviews with all of the man's family and would require relatives to lie. It's a huge undertaking and I wouldn't do it as a mere favor or for a few thousand bucks.

My wife & I went through the legal process.

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It's extremely nervewracking, especially doing it here in Manhattan. We had a lawyer representing us and filing most of the paperwork, but the fact is that CSIS case officers have a lot of discretion on how to handle a given case. When it came time to do our final interview though, the officer, a Mr. White, was kind and good-natured and we breezed through.

So I would say to anyone contemplating doing this, know that it's a lot of work and worry & involves a multi-year commitment (kind of like a real marriage). It would probably be easier on the girl's state of mind to find an American she wants to marry for real.

Thanks guys

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I emailed him this thread and I think it was enough to steer him away...he was already starting to lean against it when I spoke to him and I think this helped push him over the edge.

It is better to get what you want than it is to be right. -me

Anecdote

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I have a friend from England who married a guy in the US for her papers.

It was bogus top to bottom. They lived together for a while (they were friends AT BEST... not very good friends either).

Anyway, they were grilled a couple times by INS, in separate rooms, the full ordeal. They were freaking out big time that they were going to get caught, she/he would be deported, put in jail, every scenario you could imagine.

Then, nothing happened. She's still here, still living a lie as far as I know. The worry probably took years off their lives, though.

My takeaway from the story is that INS is inconsistant and probably inept. Also, I would never, ever do this or consider doing it.

Not Sure If It Applies

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But a woman I know married a citizen, lived here illegally, and finally decided she wanted to get things legal. This required returning to her country of origin -- Guatemala -- and seven months later she's still there. But her husband is here. So is her daughter.

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Juker & Harley Have It Right..Not to Mention a Federal Felony

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...in Harley's example, the marriage was at least legitimate.

Were I inclined to commit such felonious conduct, mindful that two years after the marriage you will be interviewed again to see if the marriage was fraudulent, (and equally mindful that a lot can happen in two years for both participants), I would now send her home, (if you're going to go for a big Felony, at least do it right), file either a fiancee' or, fly there, marry her and file a Spousal Visa through a Direct Consular Filing if possible, and have her her in 6 to 9 months...semi-legal and you still face the 2 year hurdle, (I-751 filing and process), but at least it is a ballpark rightfully done felony.

Now that's a run on sentence!

Be that as it may, your friend's idea is...bad.

Best Wishes, Traveller

Well, I've been thru the *legal* process

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I married a Colombiana, all legal. Yet, while I can still only guess at the technicalities, I can assure you this is one BAD IDEA.

If the INS asks them in for an interview, they're screwed. It turned out I was not asked to do this, but I understand it can be brutal. What color toothbrush does he/she use, etc, etc.

In general, the INS is far worse than the IRS for rudeness, bureaucracy, slothiness, and tardiness.

Also, I've heard of cases where the woman had to return to her home country for a period. But I've heard of at least one case where that wasn't required. Don't know why the difference.

Sorry couldn't help more. You should have asked about divorce instead. I have more recent experience. :-)


Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please --Mark Twain