While Mitt Romney has (hopefully) moved off the national stage, despised by his erstwhile supporters, it's important not to forget what we learned during the campaign - specifically about how Bain Capital, and private equity in general, works. We have a great example of that in the bankruptcy and dissolution of Hostess (formerly known as Interstate Bakeries), maker of Twinkies and other snack foods.
According to the right wing stenographers, the whole situation is simple - Hostess failed because of greedy, stupid labor unions. It's true that the unions failing to agree to significant cuts was the proximate cause of Hostess closing down. But of course that's far from the entire story. In fact, in looking over the history of Hostess over the past ten years it seems that the union made the right decision. That is, they were faced with a no win situation - demand no reductions, or accept an agreement from ownership and a management team that had already failed to live up to previous agreements.
It all started when Hostess originally entered bankruptcy in 2004. Hostess hadn't changed its product lineup since the 1960s, unlike virtually every other snack food company (not the sign of a very good management team to begin with). In 2004 Hostess went into bankruptcy protection with $450 million in debt, where they stayed for 5 years until Ripplewood Holdings, a private equity company, bought them and brought them out of bankruptcy. At that time they had $670 million in debt, a 50% increase over 5 years. It's also important to note that the union made significant concessions in pay and benefits to get the company out of bankruptcy in return for equity in the firm. It also saw employment decrease from 32,000 to 22,000 employees during the bankruptcy.
Ripplewood took the company back into bankruptcy in 2011, having failed to lower debt - over $1 billion at the time of the second filing - and having a management team that while ridiculously compensated still couldn't run the company. They also stopped making the contributions to the employee pension plan that they had agreed to (but kept up the contributions to the management pension plan). The company saved $160 million on pension plan contributions, but that wasn't enough to keep them from sinking even deeper into debt. The company also had 6 CEOs between 2002 and the filing in 2011, with no sign that anyone in management had any idea of what to do to turn the situation around other than award themselves increasing salaries and bonuses. And management had already shown their bad faith by reneging on the agreements they had made just three years earlier. So the union members didn't have any good options
So Hostess is gone, but it's important to remember that the pattern here is the same we've seen in multiple private equity buyouts:
1. Leverage debt to buy a distressed company
2. Increase the debt on the company even further
3. Make unions take large concessions on wages and benefits
4. Take out as much money as possible in management fees and management salaries
5. When things go bad, renege on your agreements with the workers and ask for more concessions
6. When the whole thing blows up, blame the unions
It appears to work just about every time. Of course, there are plenty of people out there who are ready to say the workers (average salary $44K) are greedy but top management (average salary hundreds of thousands of dollars) are not.



Also: squeeze dividends & other distributions,
(#296569)starving companies of capital;
load up companies with debt based on their improved balance sheet (like you said), often in order to make further dividends & profit distributions;
collect agency fees and consult fees from investors whether the deal works or not;
sell off what remains of the company when shares are profitable, and before the debt scheme blows up, sometimes taking the company into bankruptcy.
M Aurelius was probably right.
More misplaced blame from the
(#296570)More misplaced blame from the usual cast of miscreants
-- American unions have a duty to take paycuts and benefit reductions, one after another, to save an American institution.
-- Investment companies have a duty to extract as much money and fees from American institutions to make profits for large foreign investors.
-- A revolving cast of upper managers and CEOs have a duty to demand ever increasing compensation, benefits, and golden parachutes despite declining American institutions.
CNBC would love for this BS machine to keep humming along. One of the triumphs of modern marketing is convincing Americans that shrinking and neutered unions destroy companies while enriched predatory investors and useless corporate executives are "job creators".
That's the real disconnect for me
(#296586)If you make less than $100K, how dare you ask for a raise. You're lucky anyone will employ you, you loser/parasite/moocher.
If you make more than$100K, you're not getting compensated enough. The company is lucky to have you, and they need to dramatically increase your compensation or you'll leave (or go Galt, depending on the situation).
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High powered MBAs disgust me
(#296588)High powered MBAs disgust me in general, probably well beyond rationality. Business school is a joke and the top-end places are just very expensive and exclusive networking clubs. Why people think CEOs/upper managers are special is beyond me.
I was fortunate in my life
(#296589)to have been exposed to MBAs quite early in my career. I learned they were very talented at developing and measuring metrics, and pretty useless at everything else.
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This is a one-sided, half-story diary,
(#296576)from a labor union perspective only. This is what left-wing stenography looks like. What a disservice. Making this even more unbalanced, your sole link was to a bakers' union press release. The Teamsters made a deal last September and they implored the bakers' union to take a deal, too, but they held out and then struck. Now its union members will get 100% pay cuts.
The truth is that there are no white or black hats. Hostess was a bankrupt company in 2004 and multiple factors led to its current state. For perspectives that are actually informative and offer a broader picture, click here, here, here, here and here.
To recap, you've got a poorly conceived reorganization from the 2004 bankruptcy that left too much debt and too many badly structured union contracts. Without Ripplewood (whose principal owner is a loyal Gephardt-supporting Democrat), Hostess would likely have been sold and dismembered. You've got a company that came out of an overly long bankruptcy at a horrible time in the business cycle, with a lousy 2009 economy, lowering sales and higher-than-usual commodity prices. You've got a society that increasingly looks down on highly processed starchy, sugary carbohydrates. You've got management that couldn't figure out a successful business plan. You've now a got private equity firm that is out of the picture, having burned up all of its equity and cash. What's left were a couple of hedge funds that ended up negotiating with various labor unions. The hedge funds will get some of their money back when the company liquidates. Depending on how much they paid for the notes, they will lose a little or a lot, but they will lose money.
The end result is that the Hostess name and the products will be liquidated today instead of three years ago. Some other corporation will produce and deliver Twinkies by its employees, who may or not may be in labor unions, but at least are working in going concerns. And Hostess employees will be no more, and who knows how their pension plans will pan out. There were no winners in this debacle.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
Here's the perspective of one guy who worked there:
(#296581)Courtesy of the Great Orange Satan:
This, I think, says it all:
I can guarantee that if the Enormous Medical Center where I work offered me such a "deal" I would be gone in a heartbeat. I bet the same would be true for you, Bird Dog, especially given this:
"I've been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)
And yet,
(#296590)the Teamsters made a deal. Now the bakers will get a 100% pay cut instead of 27%. Management will also get a 100% pay cut. Win-win!
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
I don't know what deal the Teamsters made.
(#296592)But for the bakers, the offer obviously was unacceptable. I don't blame them.
And as for senior management, I'm willing to bet they all have a golden parachute of some sort or another. Don't lose any sleep over them.
"I've been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)
Ha
(#296585)coming from the guy with Benghazitis that's a compliment.
It's simple, management f*&ked up so bad that the union members thought it was a better deal to find a job elsewhere. They figured it was better to take their chances in the job market than sign a contract with people who are known liars and would unilaterally abrogate any part of the contract they wanted to at any time.
I'll never understand why conservatives and Republicans can't simply say "management screwed up" without also blaming the union. It's like some kind of verbal tic.
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Ad hom
(#296591)Heh. This coming from a guy who cuts and pastes labor union press releases.
Your "analysis", such as it were, is shallow and simplistic. This isn't BinaryWorld. There were problems with management and there were problems with union contracts. You should read up on the subject instead of unquestioningly believing the propaganda you're absorbing. You just might learn something.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
The problem with the union contracts
(#296595)is that management broke the previous one unilaterally. So why sign a contract with known liars who have shown that they won't keep to the agreement? But of course that was the unions fault because ... well just because. And seriously, after the Benghazi diaries you've exposed us to you're the last person who should be talking about "shallow and simplistic".
I question the negotiating skills of anyone who gets lied to but tells themself "it will be different this time".
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Nope, that's not it
(#296598)My recommendation still holds.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
Of course it does, impervious to fact or reason nt
(#296607).
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And now a second suggestion
(#296644)When it comes to being impervious to fact and reason, look in a mirror.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
You just don't like the facts in this case
(#296647)management screwed up, period. No other explanation necessary except to muddy the waters.
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When you bring facts, I'll consider them
(#296649)FTR, you acknowledged that you had already looked at some of my links--all of which provided more facts than your labor union press release--and then discarded them. Go ahead with the binary. It's entertaining. Oh, and look in a mirror.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
Reading through all of BD's links...
(#296603)... I noticed there were a couple of common themes presented: first, that while the Bakers' Union rejection of the latest offer was probably the immediate cause of Hostess' final closure; it was also probably merely the coup de grace for a company that was fundamentally moribund. And the ultimate cause of that mortality was - what all the financial writers seem to refer to coyly as a "puzzling" situation - wherein Hostess belatedly emerged from its first (2004) bankruptcy loaded down with more debt that it had had going into it. A debt load which - despite significant previous wage-and-benefit concessions by the unions - proved the unshakeable monkey (King Kong-size) on its back, and which the repeated machinations of those ingenious "Private Equity" honchos failed to, apparently, do much about, except to increase: just before they bailed.
And Hank is right about one thing: which the linked articles also refer to (if just in passing), that there was an early rush in the press (both "mainstream" and financial) to cast the Hostess FAIL as a simplistic case of "Greedy Unions Staked the Twinkie"; which didn't hold up on further analysis, but was considered good enough to go with as a start.
I read most of them while writing this
(#296608)but really, is it a surprise that a bunch of magazines that target business management as their readers would downplay just how badly management screwed up?
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OK, Hank: for once
(#296625)I'm going to have to side with Bird Dog here, since - for once - he's linked to a fairly (IMO, anyway) even-handed bunch of analyses about the Hostess BK - which don't seem to be "targeted [to] business management" as readers. Except for Tyler Durden's, which is mainly a recap, they pretty much refrain from either of the simplistic "Greedy Unions" or "Vulture Capitalists" memes as the explanation(s) for Hostess' failures. Although on a re-read, I see that they all DO tend to elide - possibly because its causes have been deliberately obscured - the circumstances of the unusual debt burden Hostess emerged from its first BK with. And of course, the general question of why, if the company had such poor prospects, lenders seem to have been quite willing (and management compliant in) to load it up with even more debt; not a lot of which was likely to be gotten back: even taken out of the hides of the workforce.
Though I did note one telling cite from the linked New Yorker piece:
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And private equity could save Hostess
(#296743)If Sun Capital has its way.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
So it wasn't a union problem
(#296750)it was a management problem:
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ATTN: any Forvm MBAs:
(#296764)A couple of questions: First, with a quote like this:
Are we sure this guy really is a 21st-Century venture capitalist? I mean, "labor-friendly"?? SRSLY?
Also:
What's EBITDA? Can't find a definition in the article.....
Not an MBA
(#296765)EBITDA means earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization. It's used as a rough estimate of the underlying health of a company's ongoing operations, because it removes items related to debt, assets and taxes that vary widely between companies.
I blame it all on the Internet
Yeah. It's Profit from Operations
(#296766)PE types like it because it's a good indicator of 1) efficiency; 2) the ability of the firm to support more debt. I've usually heard it expressed as a percentage of sales, like profit margin.
Most PEs want to turn the investment in 5-7 years (the goal is an "equity event" such as an IPO or another sale) and improving (1) and therefore EBITDA is how they add value. If they think they can bump EBITDA through cost cutting or capital investment or improved marketing or some combo of that, then they'd prefer to use (2) to pay for it (and to pay themselves while they are waiting around to exit).
(Also not an MBA, but the wife has worked with PE types in the past and probably will in the future.)
Again with the binary
(#296768)How quaint.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
Had senior management not had their salaries doubled
(#296820)instead of cut in half, as they wished to inflict on their workers, your argument might have some merit.
Otherwise, not so much.
"I've been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)
That shouldn't be legal
(#296829)Slashing pensions while skyrocketing executive compensation should be illegal.
Yes!
(#296843)Because there is nothing else other than Labor versus Management. I'm am in this shallow binary world called The Forvm.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
Ha. See Israel v Palestinians nt
(#296847).
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So what is your point about this case?
(#296850)It looks to be more a story of bad management and the downsides of vulture capitalism than anything else to me.
The fact that labor wouldn't capitulate to entirely jettisoning their pensions doesn't appear particularly germane. Labor just had no reason to believe that management would honor whatever concessions/ agreements they made.
So did you have a point about the Hostess case in particular, are you claiming the case isn't representative of private equity's impact on the economy in general, or what?
The point is that...
(#296870)...a private equity company kept Hostess alive, and there are other PE firms willing to take the risk and do the same. So, did PE kill the Twinkie or did they try to keep it going? Seems to me like the answer is the latter. The Teamsters saw it one way and the bakers saw it another. Yes, management didn't have a good enough business plan, but they were saddled with problems from Day One, namely still-too-much debt and a still-too-unwieldy cost structure, which was the fault of the bankruptcy court for allowing that situation to persist. That, and the timing of when they emerged from Chapter 11 couldn't have been worse. Hank is trying paint everything with clear black and white but his square paint jars don't fit in the round hole (how's that for a mixed metaphor). And here I was, thinking that liberals embraced complexity and nuance. My mistake. I guess hyperbole is now the order of the day.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
I doubt that...
(#296871)I've seen two private equity deals up close and the only beneficiaries I could see were bond holders and the PE firm itself.
The companies were both left with unsustainable debt loads that wiped out jobs and the possibility of investing in product development. What was left was a shell, a sales force, outsourced everything, and debt service. I saw no value in it.
It's a process more like mining than investment. It identifies value and extracts it, but does not produce value. It depletes it.
I am not a pessimist. I am an incompetent optimist.
do we know
(#296875)if the two unions got the same offers? Do they represent the same grades and types of workers.
Dunno
(#296904)But this sounds like a plausible reason for the bakers balking.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
Try looking at it this way...
(#296876)You seem to be arguing that Hostess management should be allowed to break contracts, steal pension contributions and do god-know what else in an attempt to save the company. Consider this: maybe the employees who've finally said "no" are trying to save their families.
Hummel and the Baker's Union made a financial calculation just like PE and corporate management do all the time. An employment contract is not indenture, and no-one should be expected to work for poverty-level wages while their managers get large raises and bonuses.
"I've been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)
executive pay hikes in a situation like this
(#296877)are the tell.
No one who really wanted to save the company would load it with another million for their own salary as has been reported. That's the act of someone who figures the game is up and is grabbing what's left before the collapse.
Another million?
(#296898)The CEO's salary was tripled, loading on another 2 million, while unions agreed to pension cuts.
But of course unions are also to blame here b/c they would not completely capitulate.
To suppose otherwise would be black and white thinking.
Uh, no
(#296903)That's not what I am or seem to be arguing.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particula
Then enlighten us.
(#296913)<nt>
"I've been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No!" Craig T. Nelson (6/2/2009)
"PE company kept Hostess alive"
(#296879)Yes, and with about the same level of consideration for its well-being as the Mad Doctor in a cheap horror-flick keeping his victims/"patients" alive so as to maintain a handy supply of organs to remove and sell for transplants. And, like said MD, when conditions finally become terminal, they can just shove the remains into the furnace, wash their hands, and head on to the next town - after stopping at the nearest bank to cash their fat "severance" checks, of course.
And whatever your critique of Hank's posts, not all of us here have commented on the Hostess mess in a simplistic "binary" fashion.
But you have to remember that most of the initial reports on their looming BK were mainly framed (in the "MSM" at any rate) in the "Union Demands Threaten Hostess Bankruptcy" vein? Most of the more nuanced analyses, especially in the financial press, who, at least, should know better, were follow-ups. No, it's not a simple black-and-white issue: but - at least in your truly's humble opinion - more blame should accrue to the corporate Organ Harvesters who apparently "reorganized" Hostess as a debt-sink and fee-generator rather than as a maker and seller of snack cakes.
Oh, and in my usual coda-of-agreement: yeah, that five-year-long BK reorg of 2009, and its outcome, has a definite malodor to it. The problem is, that (AFAIK) after everyone has signed off on it, there's no warranty or recall provisions....
Double executive pay, ask for pay cuts at the bottom.....
(#297046)h/t LGM
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