The Myth of the Clinton/Sabine Women


So if you were dropped out of the sky -- or relocated from an island where you could not watch broadcast TV -- and found yourself in a bar drinking moderately with two opinionated fellows and gazing periodically at the muted TV screens overhead, those TV screens, yesterday at any rate, would give you the odd impression that Hillary Clinton was still running for her party's nomination and that Bill Clinton had said something inappropriate. Again.

Like Sergeant Hulka in Stripes. IT IS ALIVE.

This bugs me. It's as if everyone -- and by everyone I mean the MSM -- has decided to agree that 18 million women are standing in ranks, holding hands, and demanding that their candidate be honored and honored well while singing hymns to what was but can never be but might be again someday soon. Like in two weeks.

This of course is crap. Most of those Clinton voters, by which I mean the vast majority, have done what voters usually do when their candidate fails to win a nomination. They moved on. In most cases, they're watching the campaign unfold, checking their tire pressure, and not really giving the Clintons all that much thought. And while the various cable and network outlets seem to believe that shaky phone video showing Senator Clinton addressing a handful of supporters in someone's back yard is proof positive of a still-fervid movement that demands our constant respect and attention? I say Feh. And double Feh.

But beyond the Feh? How about some numbers. Okay. Approximately 12 percent of the Democrats polled say they're going to vote for McCain. Approximately 12 percent of the Republicans polled say they're going to vote for Obama. In other words, there's no there there no matter how many times Charlie Gibson tries to tell you otherwise. (And his own network is the outfit responsible for the listed numbers.)

Despite, you know, reality, it seems as though we'll be treated to two weeks of coy statements regarding Senator Clinton's plans, whether or not her name will be put into nomination, whether there will be a roll call, etc. (Call me crazy, but I'm guessing there will be nothing along these lines interrupting the GOP's convention.) And then, of course, wild-eyed speculation about what she'll say on Tuesday, or what Bubba will say on Wednesday. In other words, despite losing the primary, right now everyone is doing what the Clintons want them to do. They're talking about the Clintons.

Myself included. Sigh.

Bonus history note. The Sabine women were not raped, but kidnapped.

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To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard

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Angry candidates attrack angry supporters (#109078)
by tomsyl

no surprise, and sometimes that anger lingers. I was looking for a spectacle at the Dem convention from Her Nibs until I heard that Howie Dean dangled repayment of her campaign debt in front of HillNBill as hush money. Smart, particularly when dealing with a trailerpark-to-mansion pair, but it made me cancel my Denver reservations (though now I hear they will send me to the zoo for free to visit classmates if I show up there during convention week).

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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Wow. It's like you've been... (#109088)
by Zelig

...saving up!

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Me: We! -- Ali

Not raped. Kidnapped. (#108646)
by Jordan

That's some consolation at least. In the ancient world, by the way, they were the same thing, as you can see from the word's etymology. Rapere in Latin means to carry off by force, and for a woman to be alone in the company of a strange man meant either a) she was being sexually assaulted or b) she might as well be. Take your pick; she was sexually impure either way. Rape only much later became a euphemism for the actual act. Stuprare was the Latin expression, still used in modern Italian (stuprare), and (maybe) Yiddish (shtup).

/wordgeek

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH

True but (#108647)
by Kierkegaard

nobody wants to rape any of Hillary Clinton's supporters.

Least of all their husbands ;)

*click* (#108650)
by M Scott Eiland

I knew that buying that stopwatch would come in handy.

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Come on, be fair (#108652)
by Kierkegaard

the issue doesn't even arise with McCain supporters.

Let's face facts, only Obama's female activists stir the old 'stupare' urge...

Not for want (#108663)
by Spartacvs

of McCain's trying by offering up his wife to the crowd gathered at the recent Stockbrokers on Harleys rally at Sturgis.

I'm glad that Obama is too classy to entertain that kind of thing. While I remain disappointed that the news media allows McCain to get away with what had it been Obama, would have been a Breaking News - Campaign in Crisis event to rival Gary Hart's implosion or George Allen's 'Macaca' moment.

Liberal media my a**.

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GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

Yeah, you're right (#108669)
by Kierkegaard

They're all secretly Republicans. Or Nazis. Definitely racists. I hate them, don't you? That's why I don't even read the NYT any more. Or read at all, really. I just osmose the zeitgeist, man.

Not so (#108795)
by Spartacvs

they're just motivated by covering the phenomenon which is the Obama candidacy in '08 just like they warmed to the insurgent campaign of John McCain back in 2000. They have a new shiny pebble to distract them, that and their usual incompetence and entertainment/celebrity focus.

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GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

No (#108670)
by HankP

they've just taken "how about you and him fight" to a new insanely intense 24 hour a day level. And while I'm sure you'll disagree with me, McCain does seem to get more of a pass on gaffes that Obama does.

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I blame it all on the Internet

I really wouldn't know (#108676)
by Kierkegaard

Since I don't care much for either candidate, I don't keep track. All I can tell you is that the media could apparently never be liberal enough for "Spartacvs".

Well, sure (#108680)
by HankP

but that's like saying it could never be conservative enough for Bird Dog. That's just the way people view things.

You know, we really shouldn't be trying to get everyone to agree here, it would kind of eliminate the reason for the site in the first place. You, more than anyone here, understand the value of dramatic tension.

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I blame it all on the Internet

So... (#108682)
by Kierkegaard

Spartacvs attaches non-sequiturs to random comments just for the sake of injecting dramatic tension? Thanks for straightening me out on that.

Along With Passive-Aggressive Sniping. . . (#108805)
by M Scott Eiland

. . .appended to everything remotely Olympic-related. It's almost as entertaining and stimulating as watching dry paint.

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I promise henceforth (#108811)
by Spartacvs

to abstain from Passive-Aggressive Sniping at everything remotely Olympic-related if you promise to do the same in respect to everything and anything remotely democrat/liberal related.

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GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

Since The Bet's Over. . . (#108813)
by M Scott Eiland

. . .I doubt I'll have the need to be particularly *passive* about any of my aggression towards non-Forvm commenter liberals and/or Democrats in the near future.

Thanks for the offer, but if you choose to continue to regale us with ignorant comments like the one about Olympic basketball the other day, that's your affair.

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Good, the place just wouldn't be the same (#108816)
by Spartacvs

without your particular style of commentary.

For the record, what exactly was ignorant about my previous comment?

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GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

If You Read My Answer To It. . . (#108819)
by M Scott Eiland

. . .you would know what was ignorant about it. The comment was also ignorant on the subject of the World Series, as a bonus.

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Your answer (#108857)
by Spartacvs

wasn't the last comment on that thread, but you knew that already.

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GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

Non-sequitur? (#108792)
by Spartacvs

My comment was centered on the one issue you have ever expressed any passion about in this election.

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GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.

Hey (#108686)
by HankP

you work with what you've got. I thought you were Mr. Chaos, rules be damned and all that. Embrace the irrationality of it all.

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I blame it all on the Internet

I've been chided for my Bakunin-like views, (#108688)
by Kierkegaard

Hank. I'm doing my best to fit in and be a good citizen here now. Naturally I expect others to follow the same rules I do.

Unfortunately (#108694)
by Sulla

that ain't gonna happen.

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"That Sam-I-am! That Sam-I-am! I do not like that Sam-I-am!"- Dr. Seuss

That's a shame nt (#108693)
by HankP

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I blame it all on the Internet

Blame yourself ;) (#108704)
by Kierkegaard

If you'd reinstated me after I was banned and joined in what should have been a referendum about the so-called 'rules' here, we might have our Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Instead of...well, it's upholstered better than Trees Lounge, anyway.

Hey, I did what I could (#108732)
by HankP

I can't help it if everyone else was intimidated by your intellect and writing abilities, and terrified of the horrible reprisals Mac threatened to anyone disputing his decision. I just work here.

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I blame it all on the Internet

The Stopwatch Isn't For You (#108653)
by M Scott Eiland

It's for the inevitable shrill, GBCW-defying response.

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Ron Paul? (#108642)
by Spartacvs
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