The Lone Whacko? DOJ confident Ivins was the sole anthrax mailer.
The DOJ made their files against Bruce E. Ivins public today, and of course the question on everyone's mind is, is their case conclusive on the contention that Ivins acted alone? The answer, of course is, no, it's not. Evidently there will never be a trial in the Amerithrax case: instead we just have the Department of Justice bringing its prosecution straight to the general public, skipping all that trial by jury of one's peers and presumption of innocence stuff.
"We are confident that Dr. Ivins was the only person responsible for these attacks," Jeffrey Taylor, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, told reporters Wednesday afternoon. ... Taylor said prosecutors are "confident" they could have proved their case against him.
DOJ documents are available here.
The Times run-down uses the word "circumstantial" several dozen times, with some fairness -- the DOJ can arguably show physical evidence leading back to Ivins' home and laboratory (including the anthrax powder itself), but a far weaker case that has connects him with that evidence, weaponizing anthrax and dropping it in the mail.
Of course Greenwald's all over the story like stink on rice.
No time for analysis now, but I'll jump in with updates later. Thought I'd get the ball rolling.
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A good deal of the evidence against him seems to be that he put in a lot of unexplained overtime prior to the attack (in August 2001), but with how bad the FBI botched Hatfill and Jewell I’ll take a wait and see attitude on this one. But until another suspect is named those that want to blame the VRWC for this need to throttle back-
“Just to close this loop. We called the Frederick County Board of Elections today, now that they are open for business again, and the Deputy Election Director Noreen Schultz, the same person who called Kincaid back yesterday, confirmed to us that in fact Ivins was a registered Democrat since 1982. She said they only have voting records going back to 1996 in their database, but that, yes, Ivins "was a very regular voter" who had voted in every election, including Democratic Primaries, since that date.”
--"That Sam-I-am! That Sam-I-am! I do not like that Sam-I-am!"- Dr. Seuss
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)than a partisan in any ordinary sense. He spent his whole life working with dangerous pathogens, knew how easy they were to weaponize, developed a vaccine, then couldn't get the gov't interested in it because it wasn't politically sexy enough. Add in sociopathic tendencies and blamo! Yet another wacko in search of apocalypse.
Only this one had top security access to the USAMRIID B3 containment area. I bet background checks are about to get popular again.
--Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH
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| parent )make much sense to me, but if he was some nut I don't expect they would. I imagine anybody could look like a nut though if the FBI was trying to pin something this big on them.
--"That Sam-I-am! That Sam-I-am! I do not like that Sam-I-am!"- Dr. Seuss
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| parent )and that other idiot Zell Miller.
9/11 changed everything for some folks.
I agree the evidence against Ivins is not conclusive and given there will never be a trial, absent an independent investigation there is no real proof. So all we are left with in light of investigative efforts by the proven incompetent FBI overseen by a discredited Justice Department is speculation and uncertainty.
Heckuva job George.
--GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.
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| parent )Greenwald:
It's hard to imagine a total lack of physical evidence in a case like this. Either Ivins was some sort of mad genius who managed to produce weapons-grade anthrax without getting any traces of it on himself, or there is a lot more to this story.
Most likely, we'll never know. Everyone wants the case closed; therefore, it's closed.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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)Even I've cleaned since then.
-bro
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| parent )they took the swabs at the time, and over a period of several years afterward. Ivins was always a suspect in the case.
So why, as Trav notes downthread, is it now suddenly obvious that he was the killer all along? The whole thing stinks.
I don't discount the possibility that Ivins did it (by himself). Stranger things have happened. But the pretense that this case has been fully resolved amounts to a coverup.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )Very good.
I don't know how much pride one ought to take from posting something I laugh out loud at, but man, oh man...I wish I'd written that!
--Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham
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| parent )...our accolades anywhere we can find them....(pisst, we're sluts that way, me and Miss Paris, I'm proud to mention myself in the same breath with her....lol).
I'm always happy to provide you with a full throated gawff.
Best Wishes,
Traveller
PS Miss Hilton does seep pretty cool and even intelligent in that spoof.
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| parent )For how Miss Hilton seeps.
And I don't want to know how you know.
--“I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”
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| parent )...or why he's thanking me for a reply I made to -bro...
But hey; it's late, and I'll accept it.
--Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham
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| parent )...but I am bound by the Gentleman's Code of Upstanding Conduct to not discuss a woman's...
Seeping....
Ahhhhh, ha, Ho, Choke...humph, humph....Go to Bed little Doggie and just pray to a dear and merciful God that Miss Nit-Picky Bitch doesn't see this thread.
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| parent )...but *that* was obvious, the seeping thing is far more intriguating.
--“I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”
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| parent )that may explain why, with all her money, she has plastic lawn furniture.
--Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. - W. Somerset Maugham
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| parent )Well done.
--“I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”
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| parent )...first of all, who in the hell kills themselves with tylenol? And an expert at bio warfare at that...need I add that liver failure death by tylenol is less than pleasant or quick?
Symptoms of acetaminophen overdose and/or toxicity include nausea, vomiting, and abdominal pain, all of which can easily be mistaken as signs of other illnesses. An exclusive minority may also exhibit signs of chronic liver disease, which include gynecomastia, parathyroid enlargement, testicular atrophy, and spider nevi. If you experience any of these problems and have taken Tylenol or any other drug that contains acetaminophen, it is imperative that you contact a medical professional immediately for an evaluation before permanent liver damage or failure occurs.
I'll tell you also what sticks out, the damned seven years!
Ivins sent an e-mail to a colleague a few days before the attacks that contained similar language, writing that "Bin Laden terrorists for sure have anthrax and sarin gas" and have "just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans," according to the affidavit.
Authorities began focusing on Ivins in 2007,
My Country is such a failure that they can't even lie half way decently...sigh, I despair...the FBI is a joke...and maybe so is the CIA....
At one time I defended these institutions against calls to tear them down and start over.
Failure, failure, failure.
They've been sitting on this e-mail for 7 years and now it's suddenly relevant and conclusive?
I weep.
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| parent )geek who happens to know that you can actually die of acetaminophen poisoning?
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| parent )http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19208195/
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