Before posting any more remarks on global warming in the comments of this forum I want something that I can link back to that states my own position and why I believe it. The following is a rather long (sorry) rewrite of something from a while ago. Basically, AGW is real in that man's actions will produce an increase in temperature that will be measurable and perhaps even noticeable, but the increase will be far less than predicted by the IPCC. Therefore, I am a Luke-Warmer :-)
My apologies if this reads like some sort of tutorial. That wasn't intended. I just don't know any other way to write it. I'm no climatologist; following the debate is a hobby.
I am a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation kind of guy. The following oversimplifies greatly, but if my basic reality check numbers are out of kilter with the mega-models, I begin to question which of the two is wrong. And that is where I am now. The mega-models predict between 2 and 4.5 degrees C warming, with a best estimate of 3 degrees. My climate-for-dummies reality check is half that at best.
From the Arrhenius equation we know the radiative forcing from a doubling of CO2 fairly well. It is ΔF = 5.3 ln(C_t/C_o) = 5.3 ln(2) = 3.7 watts/m^2. The 6 trillion dollar question is instead, what will be the response of the earth to this forcing in terms of temperature? To express this you often see:
where lambda, λ, is the climate sensitivity of the earth to a unit forcing of 1 w/m^2. It has units of °C/w/m^2. It incorporates possible feedback effects due to, for example, increased atmospheric water vapor content.
Despite the millions spent on research and despite what the IPCC says about a consensus, the value of λ is an open question. Nobody really knows what it is, or how much it is time-scale dependent (it almost certainly is to a degree). The estimates are all over the map, from less than 0.1 to well over 1. As a consequence there is an order of magnitude difference in temperature projections.
As a starting point, you can use standard Stefan Boltzmann black body physics (or actually "gray body", considering albedo) to derive a climate sensitivity of 0.3 °C/w/m^2. From this, the temperature response to 2xCO2 is ΔT = λ ΔF = 0.3 * 3.7 = 1.1 °C. This assumes equilibrium (no lag) and ignores all feedback effects. It also ignores other possible anthropogenic influences (which generally cancel out). The clearest explanation I've seen of this derivation is here, by Israeli physicist Nir Shaviv.
Now, recognizing that feedback is not yet considered, at this point we are at a level approaching scientific law. Really. It is mostly from first principles. Up to here, the skeptics and the IPCC agree. Only a few six sigma nut-case deniers dispute it. General comment: I reserve the term "denier" for those that refute even the simplest of observations to the point of absurdity. And I use the term "skeptic" in an honorable sense: to question consensus (especially new consensus) is a requirement of good science. (and oh, Dr. Heidi Cullen can kiss my....)
The next six gazillion dollar question is then, how big are the feedback effects?
The basic mechanism is not particularly in dispute. Predominantly, it is from additional water vapor. CO2 initially warms the troposphere by the greenhouse effect, which through increased evaporation creates more water vapor in the atmosphere. Water vapor is itself a greenhouse gas (the biggest one) so this begets yet higher temperatures, which begets more water vapor, etc. In this way a feedback loop is created. It is generally accepted that the feedback is positive in sign. How long this can go on is, to my knowledge, unknown. But still: do other feedbacks act in the opposite direction? Is the net feedback even positive? There is some evidence that it is not.
We can also make empirical based estimates of λ in which we try to find an isolated forcing (e.g., Mount Pinatubo) and observe the earth's actual response to that forcing. The standard example is derived from the ice core records of CO2 and T during the last glacial cycle (I forget the source; I think it was a Hansen paper). After accounting for albedo change, over the millennia there was a net forcing of ~7 w/m^2 and a temperature response of ~5 °C. This gives a sensitivity of 0.7 and a 2xCO2 temperature increase of about 3 °C.
The trouble is, I can cite numerous papers where empirical estimates of λ are far lower, generally around 0.1 to 0.2 °C/w/m^2. Such estimates imply negative feedback, actually, since they are less than the Stefan Boltzmann value. They include an analysis of the Pinatubo eruption [PDF] from satellite measurements. Another is based simply on the observed warming seen during the last century with respect to the known forcing by CO2 [λ = ~0.6 °C/~1.6 w/m^2 = 0.38]. There have been many others (such as Idso, 1998, PDF), and some more recent. I can see no particular reason why these estimates are ignored by the AGW crowd. There may be valid criticisms for the individual approaches but when realistically accounted for, the numbers don't change all that much!
Regardless, let's look at the feedback gain implied by the IPCC estimates and ask if these are reasonable. The lastest IPCC AR4 estimate for a 2xCO2 world is a temperature increase of 2 to 4.5 °C. Using a simple ratio with respect to the Stefan Boltzmann value of 1.1 °C, the implied feedback gain is somewhere between 1.8 and 4 -- i.e, up to 400% But let's take it a small step further.
In math terms, we have a gain, g, produced by a feedback, f as follows:
Defined this way a feedback of 50% (0.5) produces a gain of 2, or two times the strength of the original forcing. The above can also be expressed in series form, which for me more is intuitive when thinking about feedback loops. For example, with f = 0.5 each term in the following series is reduced by half:
For f = 1 the series no longer converges to a number. For f > 1 the series is unstable and runs-away into cataclysmic Goregasms. For the heck of it, here's a chart of various feedback terms:

As a first approximation, gain and feedback are related to the climate sensitivity by λf = g λ, where in this case λ is the Stefan Boltzmann sensitivity (no feedback) and λf is the climate sensitivity including feedback. Given the IPCC temperature estimates we can now work backwards and find the gain and feedbacks implicit within the IPCC models (Table 1).

It can be seen that their mid- and high-end estimates imply a feedback factor that gets closer and closer to 1, and that feedback gains of 180 to 400% are required.
From all this I have two basic problems. The first problem is the dependence on feedback gains that are far greater than the original forcing strength. For me, this is simply non-intuitive, probably unphysical, and violates my idea of a basic reality check. I can imagine a maximum feedback gain of, say, 1.5 times the original forcing, but no more. My estimate for 2xCO2 is therefore between about 0.7 and 1.7 °C. I am not alone in this. Many engineers knowledgeable in circuit design and signal processing (they deal with feedback loops all the time) are simply gobsmacked when they learn of this in reference to global warming.
The second related problem is that the IPCC's numbers imply an earth that is just short of unstable and dangerously close to run-away conditions. All I know about earth science says this cannot be true.
Lastly I want to point out that the IPCC position, especially after the recent demise of the hockey stick, is almost entirely dependent upon the mega-models. They provide no theory based on first principles to document their feedback and related predictions. No, it is all based on models with multiple tweaking parameters.
QED? lol.
P.S. - I'll get into why the models have problems another day.
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Good diary, Juker.
(#63855)Thanks and glad you're posting here.
Well done
(#63757)I'll try to give you more detailed feedback later, but one major issue that MA alluded to is the behavior of the ocean. For example, the ocean absorbs more CO2 at lower temperatures, so that's where some excess CO2 has been absorbed. As temperature and acidity rises, the oceans absorbs less. In other words, it's usefulness as a carbon sink is decreasing over time due to increasing acidification and temperatures - and it's a huge sink, estimated to contain 50X the CO2 in the atmosphere. The oceans have been hugely moderating the effects of excess CO2, but it's capacity is not limitless and is decreasing over time. There is a similar effect in forests, as the increasing temperatures increases bacterial activity breaking down cellulose in the soil. So, in summary, the pure physics and chemistry of atmospheric changes may not support larger feedback values, but some of the other systems operating in the ecology may contribute in unexpected ways. My urgency in doing something about this issue is that once we hit a non-linear effect it may be too late to do anything about it.
UPDATE: Well, whaddaya know?
I blame it all on the Internet
Nice
(#63754)First off, thanks for a nice explanation of where the science is coming from.
A few points from an EE:
There are plenty of systems whose gain is much higher with feedback than without. Oscillators are the only common ones that I know of, but they're a big one.
The characteristics of oscillators are that they have lots of gain for small variations, less gain for larger variation, and some sort of delay in the feedback loop.
Regarding intuition, be aware that feedback systems are weird. For instance it is possible to have a feedback system that is stable when the loop gain (what you call f) is greater than one, provided that the delay around the loop satisfies certain conditions.
EE experience is usually limited to intelligently designed things- it's not certain that the natural world is one :)
It's a bit late to crunch these numbers, but...
(#63753)...one weakness I see right off the bat is that you are working backwards to derive the IPCC's presumed feedback assumptions.
However, an issue which you are not mentioning is that the CO2 forcing itself creates CO2 feedback. Most people are not aware that we are actually pumping 6 PPM worth of CO2 a year into the atmosphere, but we only see a 3 PPM increase. Why? The ocean is absorbing a good deal of that, as well as the Amazon forest.
However, each of these will absorb less as they become more saturated, and in any case Brazil is literally shaving the Amazon off the planet, as a Google Earth tour of the region will quickly show.
The assumption that the Earth will absorb 3 PPM a year indefinitely is a little shaky. What does the IPCC actually assume?
Another feedback is that CO2 will be released from melting permafrost, and yet another is that the albedo of the north pole is decreasing.
Finally, consider a 2x CO2 world pretty much inevitable at this point by about 2040. The fight is over avoiding a 3x or 4x world by the end of the century. Crunch those numbers, and join the fight.
My country, right or wrong is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying... It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.' -Chesterton
Thanks for the, err, feedback
(#63756)I don't see a problem with working backwards except if my assumption doesn't hold that "other" GHGs and forcings basically cancel out, leaving only CO2 as an approximation of the whole thing. That's about how I read the latest AR4.
You bring up other possible feedback mechanisms. They are probably all true or possible, but my understanding is that they do not play that great of role. Here is a chart from Soden on realclimate describing the relative feedbacks of the IPCC models. (note he uses inverse units from me for feedback and sensitivity)
Maybe he missed those other feedback mechanisms :-)
I want to reserve comment for later, but notice that the cloud feedback is positive? If you look at the variation between models, the ones with the least positive cloud feedback also have the least overall climate sensitivity. I have some surprising reasons later for why (I think) cloud feedback is positive.
About reaching 2xCO2 soon, maybe a bit longer than you say, but true.
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please --Mark Twain
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