In the course of a discussion on a previous diary on budget deficits, I mentioned a specific CBO failure to predict increased revenues as a result of a tax reduction. The CBO has generally low-balled its revenue forecasts for the last four years. I thought this specific case of prediction failure may shed light on what is going on with these things, and as a warning to take all such predictions with a sack or two of salt.
This particular case is interesting as it can be traced to a specific provision in a specific piece of legislation, the reduction in the Long-Term Capital Gains tax rate to 15% (down from 20%), which is, interestingly, set to expire in 2008, part of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief and Reconciliation Act (JGTRRA) of 2003. I think there will be some argument about this soon enough.
Specifically,
Jan 2004 Capital Gains Tax revenue projections, in billions
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4985&sequence=5
2002 - 57
2003 - 45 - Change in rates, May 2003
2004 - 44
2005 - 49
2006 - 54
They were predicting an actual reduction in Capital Gains tax revenues as a result of the tax cut, various numbers being touted by various sources, from $5.4B quoted by some, to perhaps $45B 2003-2006, by the CBO, based on its earlier 2003 forecast, to some rather incredible figures in the JCT "Blue Book" - http://www.house.gov/jct/s-8-03.pdf , see p.22.
Note also this summary, by some leftish activists, who seem eager to swallow such estimates -
http://www.cbpp.org/3-10-05tax.htm
"The Joint Committee on Taxation estimates that the dividend and capital gains tax cuts, which are scheduled to be in effect through 2008, will cost $148 billion. Making these tax cuts permanent would reduce revenues by an additional $148 billion through 2015, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates. Because this lost revenue increases the deficit, an additional $110 billion in costs will be incurred through 2015 for higher interest payments on the debt. In total, these tax cuts, if extended, thus would add $405 billion to the debt from the time they were enacted in 2003 through 2015. "
Actuals -
http://mirror1.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/77xx/doc7731/01-24-BudgetOutlook.pdf
2002 - 58
2003 - 50 - Change in rates, May 2003
2004 - 61
2005 - 84
2006 - 103
i.e., by my take Capital Gains taxes yielded $101B more through 2006 than the CBO initially predicted post-tax reduction, or $66B more than the CBO predicted earlier in 2003 for a no-cut scenario.
This low prediction was, I am speculating, but with some confidence, based on a conventional wisdom that tax cuts do not yield revenue increases approaching the revenue reductions, i.e., that "clawback" is limited to maybe 25%. In this case "clawback" proved to be more like 224%.
Mr. Gabriel was good enough to post one such study, or rather a thought experiment in the application of various revenue models - http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/69xx/doc6908/12-01-10PercentTaxCut.pdf . This one is interesting as it includes Capital Gains in the analysis.
Some other people seem to have noticed -
http://www.americanshareholders.com/blog/2006/01/cap-gains-tax-cut-more-revenue.php
Note that they quote numbers from various dates, their latest numbers are higher than mine, perhaps they have later data.
Somebody should be eating crow. And it would seem rather difficult to make a case for Capital Gains rates to be raised in 2009, as they seem to be closer to a revenue-maximizing optimum at this rate than the previous one, as collections are approaching the FY2000 "bubble" period though we are not really experiencing an equity bubble.
It would be interesting to see the effect of the other major provision in the JGTRRA, on treatment of dividends, if this can be extracted. I suspect we may have another winner here also.
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This doesn't necessarily prove anything
(#26300)If you look at a percentage growth basis, I'd suspect that the capital gains receipts during the late 90s increased faster, not that that proves anything either.
I would certainly agree, on not much more than a hunch, that capital gains tax cuts are good for the economy (if we can get close to a balanced budget at the same time). If I could choose one tax cut to keep, this would be it. My major problem with Bush tax policy is slanting the cuts in income tax towards the rich. I'm not sure if I'd believe that given the strong state of stocks and the floods of liquidity on world markets (dwarfing that 15% of 103B that we're taking in right now), that the capital gains cuts are responsible for enough of the growth to pay for their cost, from the gov's perspective. As far as creating more money in the economy in total, yeah of course, but we do have to pay for the gov't at the end of the day.
Ceteris Paribus
(#26409)Mr. Dionysius,
Naturally all these arguments carry a heavy load of uncertainty, as one period cannot be properly compared to another as plenty of relevant conditions are not the same.
From what I can see in the tables I cited, Capital Gains receipts in any four year period of 1993-2000/2001 did not increase quite as fast as they did in 2003-2006.
Asset values increased very rapidly 1993-2000, the S&P500 (a reasonable benchmark I think) quadrupled, driving the rapid increase in revenues at that time. This was not much of a factor in the later period, where the S&P500 has risen only about 40% since May 2003. And for all the bubble talk, real-estate appreciation was even faster in the 1990's. It was already peaking in 2003.
I don't think that the increased Capital Gains revenues resulting from this cut derive from any improvement in economic conditions. These are I think the result of behavioral adjustments as a result of changing incentives - people are more willing to realize capital gains than previously, as it costs them less to do so.
If one wants to collect taxes more efficiently, any improving change will properly concentrate on the groups that pay most tax. If tax reductions more effectively raise tax revenues then it seems perfectly reasonable to cut taxes for these groups.
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parentI thought about it a little more
(#26553)First off, the growth that actually happened is way off of CBO estimates. If they were planning on growth like that, their estimates of future receipts would have been higher, say whatever it is now minus 15% or whatever the depth of the capital gains tax cut was.
So the juxtaposition of the original (far too conservative) estimates with the actual growth shown creates a false impression that, had the tax not been cut, there would have been almost zero growth in filed capital gains by individuals. In truth, the estimates were just lousy. You can't get one from the other in the slightest, although the numbers look drastic. What you're doing is comparing large growth that happened to projected small growth and inferring that a single policy change (for small dollars relative to the market) created that growth when it's far more likely that the initial projection was just dumb.
I'd agree that people are more willing to realize capital gains these days, that's an undisputable fact. However, it also dovetails with the negative savings rate of the last few years. If people are blowing through their assets, of course they're realizing more of the capital gains on their tax return. I would agree that cutting this tax enhances liquidity of the market and while it's ok at this current level, I can't fault cutting it to the current level in the abstract.
After 2 massive income tax cuts slanted to the rich and while starting a multi-year military commitment, blowing up gov't spending, etc, etc, I thought it was bad fiscal policy at the time, but mostly out of "enough already, you idiots" frustration.
If you cut every tax all the time, some of them will pan out as good ideas. All of them will probably create more GDP than they were as part of the gov't. I'm not convinced all of them are creating more GDP than the interest on the bonds to pay for our deficit, and even if they are that's too risky with dollar figures this big.
The gov't needs to balance the budget to ease nervousness in the market about fiscal imbalances. All kinds of corporations are sitting on huge cash reserves right now because they're afraid to invest in new operations while we're waiting for the other shoe to drop in what seems an unsustainable fiscal situation. The economy soared with a balanced budget once, we can do it again.
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parentNo doubt they were lousy estimates
(#26562)Mr. Dionysius,
I think mainly because they were based on analyses that ignored behavior. The CBO was not far off in actual economic prediction, they did a decent job of that. They were actually predicting a rather high revenue growth rate in Capital Gains, something like 10%, which if one assumes that revenues from Capital Gains track equity valuations would have been spot on.
The 1990's boom in Capital Gains revenues was in fact driven by a boom in equity valuations. This one is not.
The US has periodically had a "negative savings rate", including at the time of the 1990's boom. Check out the BEA site, look for the "Personal Income" accounts.
We do not in fact know whether the other tax cuts of 2001-2003 were negative or positive WRT revenues, or will eventually prove to be positive. This is a very difficult thing to work out.
I think we will soon enough see a balanced budget, or at least a deficit low enough to cause most people to lose interest.
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parentI'd be happy with that
(#26778)We've gotta slash military spending to get there, I think.
And I'd like to see a restructuring of the previous tax cuts to give more of a cut to the middle class and less of a cut to the top. The current economic environment is concentrating wealth all by itself, we're not gonna stop it but we don't need to exacerbate it.
Our negative savings rate is the lowest it's been since the early 1930s, by the way.
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parentIt is remarkable...
(#25915)...that nobody seems to be even *trying* to challenge your facts here.
How many times have I heard the notion that lower tax rates can lead to higher revenue described as "voodoo economics" - or worse?
Where are the members of the reality-based community now? In what bolting-hole have they stowed themselves?
And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
correlation doesn't equal causation
(#26020)the economy is complicated. this is but one data point in support of voodoo economics. those that believe will just find this as more reason to believe. those that don't will ignore as an outlier. it's as convincing as "hurricane katrina proves global warning".
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parentWhat exactly
(#25981)do you think should be challenged?
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parentWell, you could challenge his general incompetence...
(#25998)The K Codes explained HERE.
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parentNot necessary this time
(#26005)But I'll remain alert!
:)
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parentNice work.....
(#25849)....Mr. Alegria.
-“It is unwise for the government to tell people how they can spend their money” - Barney Frank, Chairman House Financial Services Committee, on on-line gambling, 2009
A well-researched piece of work
(#25758)Thank you for your efforts to explicate this matter. I have always suspected as much.