Don Siegelman, again

Well, 60 minutes has aired its piece, except where it was apparently blocked in Alabama.

I honestly don't know what to say -- Governor Siegelman is in prison for the crime of being a Democratic governor in a hard-South state. If it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone, and the fact that it did happen to him means that it was meant to happen to anyone.

It's so large as to be baffling, and so overwhelming as to be depressing.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

The plot thickens

(#81494)

in Alabama:

I am now hearing from readers all across Northern Alabama—from Decatur to Huntsville and considerably on down—that a mysterious “service interruption” blocked the broadcast of only the Siegelman segment of 60 Minutes this evening. The broadcaster is Channel 19 WHNT, which serves Northern Alabama and Southern Tennessee. This station was noteworthy for its hostility to Siegelman and support for his Republican adversary. The station ran a trailer stating “We apologize that you missed the first segment of 60 Minutes tonight featuring ‘The Prosecution of Don Siegelman.’ It was a techincal problem with CBS out of New York.” I contacted CBS News in New York and was told that “There were no transmission difficulties. The problems were peculiar to Channel 19, which had the signal and had functioning transmitters.” Channel 19 is owned by Oak Hill Capital Partners, who can be contacted through Rhonda Barnat, 212-371-5999 or . Oak Hill Partners represents interests of the Bass family, which contribute heavily to the Republican Party.

The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.

Careful you don't get too far ahead of yoursef.

(#81496)

Now the Bass Bros. are involved in the plot as well? It's getting more entertaining by the minute, but then I love a good conspiracy. I'll never buy another pair of shoes from them if this turns out to be true.

The controversy over this here shows that blocking the show in Ala. was pretty insignificant, don't you think? Or is Rove, like Bush, an idiot savant?

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson

Coulda been freelancing,

(#81516)

They weren't necessarily in on the plot as in they planned out a year ago "After this blows up in all our faces, we'll just get the Bass Bros to censor the broadcast in Alabama" -- Could be they or a producer simply took independent action.

Right, but censoring it (if true) only drew more attention

(#81522)

than if they had simply let it play. I could see censoring the thing for the entire country, but just doing it in Ala. only made things worse, don't you think?

Here's what I'd like to see: the logs of the Ala broadcasting station. If this is the only off-the-air outage they've had in a long time (and a gambler would bet on that, given the level of automation of TV stations these days), the plot definitely thickens to the point where a spoon could stand up on it.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson

I'm instinctively suspicious of multiple prosecutions.

(#81493)

That said, your supporting link to Huff-n-Puffpost is really weak. The correspondent has a hugely inflated sense of her own significance, and I followed her links and their links and found little but onanistic BS. I'll follow any credible link someone posts here. (60 My-Newts is often just a carnival barker's effort to drum up a controversy in a slow newsweek.)

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson

Huh?

(#81512)

How could you be suspicious of a site that reports Ann Coulter's Credit Card not being accepted at a super market?

I had discovered a great secret. That everyone loves themselves more than they love anybody else. And if I wanted them to love me, I better be like THEM!... Ken Nordine

Did you read the Harper's piece?

(#81497)

It's right here. There are some very explosive allegations in it, including an apparently substantive claim that the prosecution used evidence they knew to be false in Siegelman's trial, and denied his defense team access to potentially exculpatory evidence as well.

The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.

Yes, and that'e exactly what I meant by the circle-jerk.

(#81499)

Explosive, but with the key on "allegations." I'm looking for hard evidence. Larisa Navratilova cites Scott Horton as proof that there's Rovian evil afoot; Horton cites her right back to prove it. In a less serious context this is called logrolling. This pattern shows up in all of the links stemming from her HuffPo diary, which are recursive, to say the least.

I'm not doubting the story at this point, just the credibility and bias of the sources. On the one hand, you have a guy convicted of multiple felonies by a jury of his peers; on the other, you apparently have multiple attempts at prosecution for the same crimes. I usually look for hard evidence, though, before doubting a jury verdict. And how does the Az AG (a state office, obviously) know beans about this whole affair?

Stories dependent on whistleblowers carry their own weaknesses, and as the Ala GOP memo said, Dana Simpson seems an unlikely vessel to use to get pix of Siegelman in flagrante delick-toe. (Throwaway Dick Morris reference.) But we'll see as the story unfolds.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson

Did you watch the 60 minutes piece?

(#81507)

Do you really think that, even if the allegations were true, exchanging a campaign contribution for a political appointment really amounts to bribery? Do you have any idea how many people would be in jail if that were so?

The guy pointing this out is a campaign official on the McCain team, by the way, and a godfather to one of his kids.

You had the star government witness saying he had to rehearse his story on paper... notes which were not turned over to the defense. You had him admitting that he was hazy on details. You had hard evidence (phone logs) contradicting his account.

If you want to be a skeptic, then engage the points made in that piece. There are facts here, you're just ignoring them.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

Whew - one step at a time, wags.

(#81511)

Sure I watched the 60 Min. piece (think I already said so) even tho there was no link to it in the diary - just to HuffPoo. And it's a start, but not the end. No harm in patiently following the trail of this story before concluding that the allegations of VRWC vendetta are true, right?

I don't disagree with your campaign contrib/political appointment point, but claiming that "everybody does it" is a total nonstarter in criminal prosecutions. If that were remotely a valid defense, people like Martha Stewart and Scooter Libby would never have been tried and convicted.

If you think witnesses don't rehearse their stories before testifying, you frankly have a naive view of the US justice system. The use of a script, while stupid on the part of the prosecution, isn't unusual either, and doesn't prove the statements in the script are untrue. I think that under the Federal Rules of Evidence and common law, the script should have been given to the defense for cross-exam/ridicule of the witness's credibility; whether that's a good basis for an appeal is another issue. I'd give that a try if I were the defense, certainly.

I've engaged everything the diarist cited as proof of his conclusion (not suspicion, conclusion) that the results of the criminal case were fixed. It's in the nature of 60 Minutes and similar shows that there's not a lot to follow up on; they don't give links to the record, and make no attempt whatsoever to present both sides of a story in any even-handed way because that wouldn't be sensational. But like I said, I'm suspicious of the whole multiple prosecution angle, and I'mm following up whatever leads that I can find out there in Websville. You might want to do the same before buying into a 60 Min story as the last word on the subject.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson

Martha Stewart and Scooter Libby?

(#81514)

Really? Does everybody do perjury and obstruction of justice? 'Cause if I remember correctly, that's what they nailed them for.

My point was regarding the rules of evidence, not rehearsal per se. I know when I beat my first murder rap I went over my story somethin' crazy, yo. Ya feel me? (Sorry, I'm internalizing the third season of the Wire a little too much.)

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

That's it in response?

(#81521)

(1)Witnesses lie. A lot. People who defend criminal cases (and at least one prosecutor) say cops lie the most. Well, "shade the truth" to get over "awkward spots" in the chain of evidence, say. I assume you know that Mark Furman as good as admitted that by taking the 5th on cross-exam in the OJ case, right? That alone justified the not guilty verdict, widely but erroneously claimed as an example of race-based "jury nullification.") Criminal prosecution of perjurers is very rare.

(2) "Obstruction of justice" in the Libby case meant not telling the truth to investigators, even though no oath had been administered. And you think that's rare?

Again, I've never questioned the jury's verdict in either case, but the "everyone else does it" defense would have been far more applicable there than in the case of giving a relative of a fundraiser a job. There's a limit to those jobs, but no limit on people's ability to fabricate stories when put on the spot by an investigator or a grand jury. I believe that because I've seen it, to the point where it doesn't remotely surprise me anymore. You plan for anticipated perjury in your trial strategy these days, just like you plan for everything else.

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson

Pretty astonishing

(#81468)

More video from the testimony before the House Committee. This is going to be the long and disgusting coda from the politicization scandal.

"I don't want us to descend into a nation of bloggers." - Steve Jobs

He's a Politician

(#81465)

So he's probably guilty of more serious crimes for which he hasn't been noticed/nabbed/convicted.

It all works out in the end.

That's a Joke, Right? nt

(#81471)

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Yes. But

(#81474)

Not a very good one, it seems.

Heh

(#81476)

Well, my Sense of Humor meter has been a little out of whack lately. So I wouldn't leap to that conclusion. :)

“Two clichés make us laugh but a hundred clichés move us, because we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, celebrating a reunion." - Umberto Eco

Is there a busted link....

(#81459)
Bernard Guerrero's picture

.... under "aired its piece"?

"Unfortunately the universe doesn't agree with me. We'll see which one of us is still standing when this is over." -- Eliezer Yudkowsky

Fixed - try it now.

(#81460)

-o-0-o-

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson

Thanx for the fix. -nt-

(#81477)

.

It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.

De nada. And now for my version of "Ay Jalisco No Te Rajes":

(#81489)

*Feedback from amp. Explosion.*

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you.—Abraham Simpson