Ouch!!!!
Thank you "Elite", thank you MSM and take away any sharp instruments form the Lefty Bloggers.
BTW, the only poll which counts is taken this November.
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weight in even silently..... (Not sure the Palin pick is one they agree with) ACTUARIAL / STATISTICS might give them pause... Not sure yet...
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)There's a Hagel/Powell/Bloomberg wing of the GOP? I thought David Broder was their only constituent these days.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )The Palin selection will tip Powell to endorse Obama. Not sure if that will impact Hagel or Lugar.
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| parent )the smell alone.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Nate Silver's got some new numbers on the swing states. McCain's bounce is not so monolithic there -- for example, Obama has increased his lead in Floriday. Interesting stuff as always.
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| parent )I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )but I suspect my good friend Joe will go down to Florida and remind them, who he is supporting.
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| parent )Hoist on a petard I enjoy hoisting.
And by Joe I'm assuming you mean Biden, who is seen as the plus that's helped Obama in Florida.
Do you think Palin's "No Jews In Heaven" church is gonna hurt down there? It might.
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| parent )I'm thinking about Joe, who almost carried it in 2000.
Black Liberation Theology is my retort.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Except that quasi-racist fantasy has no play at all in Florida.
As for Joe, yeah. Almost. But Biden does very well with that demo, he's Grandma's Hot Boyfriend.
So we'll see how that shakes out.
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| parent )The Romney, Giuliani and other GOP contenders discounted him to their costs.
Just a reminder...and food for thought.
Also, how come I NEVER get polled? Ever?
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| parent )Share!
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| parent )I know that tone of voice. Please don't leave again, k?
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )was me "talking" with the straw in my elitist latte clenched in my teeth and trying to type at the same time..hence my big fat typo...obviously I can't do both at once.
I'm sure this post will supply bro with more unspoken jokes...
Not mad. but amused by the drive by..except for the typo in my header... :(
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| parent )I was actually attempting some actual humor on that one. I mean, come on, "Also, how come I NEVER get polled? Ever?", I can barely resist.
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| parent )Try harder.
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| parent )...I couldn't reply under your post so do so now out of thread. (There must be some problem with your links)
The Respect Issue has maybe been at the core of the cultural divide...and I think you nail this correctly.
I just don't respect know nothing yahoo's much...like them as people, but I still think they PREFER being dumb as a mud fence, it is just easier than thinking for themselves.
So you're right...I do feel a certain contempt.
My bad...at least politically.
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)which is why I linked. On the other hand, my comment on McCain was entirely different.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )...I love the salt of the earth...but I won't let them minister to my medical needs or legal for that matter...I'm sure they are bad financial advisers.
So they pick who they pick...I love & respect their humanity, but that's about all.
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| parent )and then the departure from stability to engage in liberty.
The twice you must of had in mind.
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| parent )should be built somewhere in Africa, or perhaps Iraq?
--GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.
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| parent )on how he stopped the UN from taking any action on genocide
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| parent )Surprisingly, that endears you to me. Welcome to the Club of Political Unwanteds! The chocolate chip cookies are very good, and we have games on weekends. (Any game that doesn't involve picking teams. Too many bad associations there -- Ralph went through half a box of Kleenex the last time we tried to play kickball.)
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )Only one politician left office with lower poll numbers than Bush 43 and his name was Harry.
The Bush Doctrine (as pertains to the Middle East and Africa) will ultimately be favorably compared to the Truman Doctrine.
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| parent )and Harry remains the only human being in the history of the world who deliberately used nuclear weapons on civilian targets.
Bush still has about four months, though, so who knows?
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )with respect to the balance you are incorrect.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Think of what you're saying Timmy. The Japanese command sat through the destruction of their most important cities by aerial bombardment without batting an eyelash. You really think that losing some Catholic-ridden backwater like Nagasaki tipped the scales for them? I don't believe you've thought on this matter very deeply.
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| parent )Depends on how seriously one takes Imperial Japanese propaganda, I guess. And I'm balancing a latte right now, I'll have you know.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )and a very long history, see "Divine Wind’
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )No argument there. I lived with them for a while.
I'll keep your justification in mind if I ever live to see an American city get nuked. We're a tough breed too; we should take it as a compliment. Those of us who are still around can read with pleasure our conquerors' explanations of why they just had to do it.
--The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.
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| parent )this will happen in your lifetime, or is this some matter of faith?
Actually, any way you cut it, it's a matter of faith. Hare Krishna!
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| parent )I'd give it an even chance that we could be looking back fondly on the Bush presidency in as little as a couple of years. Especially if the doddering old fool were to die or become incapacitated in office.
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| parent )with an energy policy
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )With a vagina. What else is new?
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| parent )Would she be the fundie President of Dobson's dreams or would the GOP suits be able to retain control by putting in place a Cheney like figure to run the kleptocracy with her as a Bush-like figurehead?
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| parent )what Sarah has for breakfast.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Up is down.
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| parent )and more than likely you will remain so.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Truman fully recovered in eight years, I'll give Bush six, as Harry's conflict cost far more American lives.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )I bet you're gonna be great with a tambourine.
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| parent )please make sure you have hidden all of the sharp objects by the first Tuesday in November.
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| parent )a few times my prediction.
Obama will lose by a narrow margin. McCain becomes the most despised president in history. McCain becomes gravely ill by 2010, and stays behind the scenes in an undisclosed location. He's dead by 2012.
Now since palin was selected I'll add to it... she largely becomes a figurehead embarrassment, stage managed as much as the party can, with occasional 'maverick' tourettes impulse moves on her part. Much of the party disowns her as they have with bush. The claim will be that the mccain & palin were never true conservatives, and that the cause has been failed again.
The US won't elect a black president in 2008.
Also, I hope you look good in saffron, Timmy.
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| parent )did wonders at Stapleton.
Reminds me of some of the scenarios told just before the 1980 election. they turned out to be incorrect.
We could go back to 1945, where a man walked into a buzz saw (absolutely no idea what was going on, machine politician only high school, his Cabinet held him low regard, he certainly wasn't an elite) and he did a damn good job.
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| parent ).
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| parent )he's had enough for one night.
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| parent )the Broncos came on and had to watch the Sox replay.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )sound you're making practice for the castanets in your future?
You gonna shave your head in November, or wait 'till January?
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| parent )and the ...
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| parent )...of a buddy, a friend?
And thought, "You dumb sh*t, I told you to say down," and you just have to shake your head in baffled wonderment at his stupidity.
There is an element of this in John McCain's being shot down...I have heard that he was violating flight protocol when he was hit...
I don't know if this is true...but if true, he is as dumb as I indicated.
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| parent )but I have shed tear for a lifeless individual who has drowned on her own vomit.
Then there was the time that I put my hand between the hammer and the bullet. Certainly, not to save the target but rather to save the shooter; destructive elements eventually overcame the shooter.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )...this is why we lose election after election and the Republic, in my opinion, continues to be a shabby shell of what it could be.
John McCain was a bad pilot and got his ass shot down. He was put in prison for killing women and babies...Yeah, sure, the Vietnamese are really going to love and be kind to a murdering bastard like him.
He got what he had coming...for being close to last in his graduating class. Stupid then, stupid in Viet Nam, stupid member of the corrupt Keeting 5, stupid now.
Madame Palin is a nut job that would take away woman's rights...it isn't a question of her Daughter Bristol choosing for herself...which is fine...but the reality on the ground is that she would deny this right of choice to other women.
She's teaches and preaches Abstinence, a good teacher she is, and it just goes to prove how utterly ineffective religious based abstinence is.
Teach sex education, give out condoms, teach responsible enjoyment of what God Gave You....Abstinence is Religious hokum and, truth be told, anti-God, anti-the goodness of life.
It's not a culture of life....it's a culture of being stupid.
Ms. Palin is the equivalent of Chairman Mao's wife during the Cultural Revolution....that picture of her as Madam Mao should be plastered over everywhere.
The Democrats deserve to lose for being such cowards.
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)so when he had the opportunity to go home (after the Forestall fire) but continue to fly with his fellow aviators, a hero no doubt.
An entirely differend observation
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| parent )I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )and thank you for fixing it.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )You have to lay off the caffeine, man. :^)
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| parent )Especially given your recent comments about failures and losers in our society :)
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| parent )You say the guy used to post here. Under what name? I can pretty much guarantee you that I could find a basis for a suspension in there somewhere; at least I'd try damn hard.
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| parent )satire to the things conservatives just don't get.
--GW Bush, leading contender for worst President ever.
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| parent )Getting outraged over things taken literally is something I'm learning here.
And what about the libs below who took this as seriously as I did - what's your take on them? That liberals don't understand satire? Hmm?
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| parent )they were reacting to you and not the satire?
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| parent )Here are the facts of the matter. Specialist Fourth Class Casey Sheehan of Charlie Battery, 1st Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment re-enlisted to fight in Iraq.
Casey was a 63 Bravo, a light vehicle mechanic. He could have stayed inside the wire, working in his nice safe vehicle bay inside FOB War Eagle in Sadr City. He could have been a Fobbit. He wasn't.
Here's how Casey died.
On 4 April 2004, Casey volunteered to be part of a Quick Reaction Force. His QRF was sent out to rescue a group of trapped soldiers, and he was killed. His heroism and intrepidity, volunteering on the spot to rescue his fellow troops earned him the Bronze Star, with V for valor, in addition to his Purple Heart.
Soldiers do not fight for a cause or for country. They fight for their fellow troops. Casey Sheehan died a genuine hero.
If I found a Floyd Alvis Cooper in my platoon, playing Save Yer Own Ass, I'd riff him out to some other unit. Jerk. I'd recommend him for an Article 15 on the spot for sowing dissention in the ranks. Jackass.
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| parent )he was one of the most notorious trolls around a few years ago. He typically couched his flamebaits in objectivist terms; for example:
http://www.janegalt.net/blog/archives/005433.html#51873
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| parent )I have considered what he said, anyway...and yes, he's a jerk, to be polite.
I have reconsidered, that guy has to be a troll. No one can be that much of a tool.
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| parent )...there was a recent Medal of Honor winner that got the award for throwing himself on a grenade. Advancing under enemy fire, taking out an old styled machine gun nest, circling behind enemy positions and taking them unawares...yes, these are often brave and smart acts...throwing yourself on a grenade and acting like a bag of cement...has always just seemed stupid and anti-soldier to me.
No medals for being stupid.
To circle back myself, the Madame Mao meme could have traction, it contains both powerful imagery and a certain truth...likewise, McCain could be seen as the dottering old fool that the Chairman himself was at this time...under that woman's control and sway.
Winning is the only game in town in Politics....as is staying alive the only game in Soldiering.
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| parent )As much as I disagree with Ms.Sheehan's views on life, the universe and everything, I will have to plunk down on her son's side here.
Screwing up your job prospects, education, family, etc is a life's work for many; catching a bullet or shrapnel from an IED might be fairly characterized as bad luck. The ball only has to land on green once, eh?
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| parent )Even though I don't agree with everything it gave me a good laugh.
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| parent )Geesh. Rather than even attempt to educate, I'll just link. Silver, as always, is pretty good on this. I knew about Response Bias, but had never heard of the Shy Tory factor before. Good stuff.
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)Here's my take. Palin wasn't chosen merely because she was a woman. The Early Scoffers misread the Republicans' intentions: this was never about rounding up any Hillary voters. The Palin pick was to shore up McCain's conservative credentials, and it's paid off.
The McCain polls might be a blip, and surely the post-Convention bounce will subside a bit. But here's the problem for Obama: the hard core Liberal and Progressive voters have already coalesced around him in the days when the Hildebeest was still on the loose. McCain never had the hard core Conservatives coalesce around him, despite crossing the Republican primary finish line earlier. Palin coalesces those Conservatives around McCain.
Obama's smartest move, just now, is to concentrate on the re-gruntling of Hillary Clinton's still-disgruntled constituency. The Biden choice might have been a tacit acknowledgment Obama was a foreign policy neophyte, though that's by no means the only reason Obama chose Biden. McCain's Veep pick was a tacit admission he didn't have the whole-hearted support of the hard core Conservatives.
What is Obama's next move? If I was David Axelrod, I'd have Obama and Hillary campaign together, almost every day. Cosset Hillary and Bill, make them feel needed, solicit their advice constantly, get in face time with Hillary. Here's what I'd do with Bill Clinton: get him a good office near O'Hare Airport, fly in prospective candidates, and let Bill do the up front legwork for filling in senior appointment posts. It's a huge job. Bush had a terrible time in his first term, putting asses in chairs.
An Obama win is by no means a done deal. As with a colloidal suspension settling out in a body of water, Palin is being kept away from hard questions. Once her new paint job is dried, they'll let her answer a few. In the interval, Obama must pucker up and kiss Hillary and Bill's collective backsides if he is to get all of Hillary's blue-collar voters to vote for him.
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| parent )I think the other half is to attempt to divorce politics entirely from the notion of competence.
--It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.
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| parent )Reagan's second term was no bed of roses for him, but his Vice President was elected.
Here's the problem with the Qualifications debate: everyone's running from his track record in this race. It's all about Change. McCain's reduced to talking about Throwing out the Bums, when he's one of the bums. Obama didn't always oppose this war in Iraq: okay he didn't make the "mistake" Hillary did in the first vote for the war, but then, he wasn't in the Senate at the time. Once Obama did become Senator, he voted Party Line, including all those war funding resolutions.
The Republicans aren't the only guilty party when it comes to divorcing Politics from Competence. The Democrats have done a horrible job of standing up to George Bush since Obama came to the Senate, and as the Junior Senator from the Land of Lincoln, he voted as he was told.
The worst part of this Competence debate, for me anyway, is the Bush43 record. If I were a Martian looking at Bush43's first cabinet, I'd say, "wow, look at all those resumes. Competence and Experience out the yin-yang. Surely he will govern reasonably well if not to everyone's liking." And look what happened? Bush wouldn't even listen to his own party. He went amok! I don't think there's one Republican on Forvm who would disagree with that. Bush43 got his tax cuts, took Ted Kennedy's education policy wholesale, removed the funding parts, and called it No Child Left Behind. That fulfilled his education promise. What was left to do?
Well, 9/11 happened, and everything changed. Now all those Competent, Experienced guys have either resigned in disgust (Powell) or been shown the door (Rumsfeld et. al.) . So I'm not sure it's so bad to divorce Competence from Politics for either candidate, though everyone wants to see abstractly competent people in office. Track records, especially McCain's track record, aren't helping this time around.
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| parent )The "let's take back the government" argument sounds hypocritical from both sides, given that the government consist of Congress 19% approval rating last I looked) as well as the president, and three Congressmen are running. Palin is the only outsider in the race, and the media hates her for that. It's the old Pogo cartoon again.
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| parent )Tho' I'm not sure that qualifies as an accomplishment. Heck. Elizabeth Hasselbeck would qualify as an outsider.
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| parent )Sheesh, another example of a brainy conservative taking it in the shorts from leftie aggregators like bigtime Dem Rosie O. (who is four minority groups if you include Catholic).
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| parent )This is the first time I've ever mentioned her here, so I'm not sure this qualifies as a 'beef.'
I'm assuming 'brainy' was a joke. Good one.
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| parent )Can you think of anything from your childhood that makes you think of the word "beef" when I mention Elizabeth Hasselbeck? That doesn't?
*turns page*
Now let's talk about your car. It's screaming "wash me, please!" Well friend, you won't believe me when I tell you that what I have this envelope will wash your car while you're driving it home to work.
-sorry, wrong book. I'll get back to you.
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| parent )only Sarah has a bite.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Except, you know, that it's not.
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| parent )a good PR firm, she is a natural.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )strong leadership and a good PR firm
that;s a redundancy in the modern GOP. there is nothing else but PR.
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| parent )the Dems have been on empty for the last 40 years.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )In fact, I think I'm going to build a crawler in Websphinx to go through the site, gather up your posts and sort them on word and phrase frequency order. I'll put them into a Jess ruleset, wrap in in Java and present the DogBot to the worthies of Forvm.
It's gonna be a hoot!
Keep on posting those clichés, Wonder Dog. Keeps the ruleset smaller.
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| parent )he's trying to be provocative and funny, in a living-under-a-bridge sort of way.
At least I hope so.
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| parent )Writing a JackassBot, for demonstration purposes only, would also allow analysis of a given poster's Troll Index. TheForvm might not be a particularly useful site to analyze, but I could harness up this framework to go through, say dKos or RedState for word and phrase frequency.
Want to know how I can learn languages so fast? Lexicons. Word frequency order. Grammars. Japanese seemed horribly intimidating, but I found several word frequency lexicons and approached the language in that order. Amazing how fast the language came into focus.
The interesting part of this will resolve to looking at prior posts on threads. What triggers and event provoke hostile responses? The thetas could be faked out by sarcasm, but we all suffer from that problem. I've been online since before there was a friggin' Internet, back when email addresses had user!domain instead of
. I still get faked out.
I'm tellin' y'all, an expert system for Forvm would make the Mods' lives a whole lot easier. No more consulting every blessed post on the site. We elect our mods to referee our inevitable squabbles, wouldn't it be nice to arm a site with a mechanism for saying "This is a trollish, surly post, factor it into the JackassBot's ruleset. We Mods shall decide how it weighs against a given posters Troll Index. If it's an exception to a generally favorable Troll Index, it's an exception, caution that user. Or flag this post as meeting a Bootable Threshold and maintain such a post in the collective memory of our site."
Lord, this is getting interesting. An expert system trained by Mods. It might require periodic retuning, the chief problem with expert systems is "brittleness", it would get more surly as more Bootables built up. The Mods would spend more time answering complaints from the bots than the users.
Gotta think about this one.
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| parent )to be truly SOTA. And of course a coin slot on the side. I see it as one of those mechanical magician thingees on the old boardwalks that moved around jerkily when you dropped in a quarter, then handed you a card with your fortune on it. you could even give it a head like the Autorantic Virtual Moonbot.
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| parent )NT
Went to french Canada on honeymoon and only new hello do you speak english. were is the bathroom etc...
--Ask courageous questions. Do not be satisfied with superficial answers. Be open to wonder and at the same time subject all claims to knowledge, without exception, to intense skeptical scrutiny. Be aware of human fallibility. Cherish your species and your
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| parent )I seriously doubt you're going to solve the problem of artificial intelligence by writing software that doesn't have any intelligent comments as input.
--I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )And stupid is shorter, heh heh.
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| parent )To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard
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| parent )In fact what you describe has an Orwellian flavor to it. So do we end up with "Animal Farm" or "1984".
Ultimately, you will have your own little universe assuming you don't have one already.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )Someone had to say it.
--Even a dead midget is far from light. - Confucius
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| parent )George Orwell is also Wigan Pier and Homage to Catalonia. This whole business of "Orwellian" makes me laugh. Propaganda, in all times and all places, including, may I add, your own skim milk prose, is always "Orwellian". Fatuous praise for the Fearless Leader, rabid condemnation of the Hated Other and ever, ever, the euphemism of Society as the agent of repression.
You forget, Wonder Dog, you exist in a continuum. We are not alone: together we have an identity independent of any one of us. The poets always say it best: here is Auden.
All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.
Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.
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| parent )He's never read Orwell.
He has no idea who Auden is.
--To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard
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| parent )although I have to admit no great fan of poetry, I simply prefer history.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )I blame it all on the Internet
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| parent )given some of your previous diaries, I'll just refer to you as "Snowball".
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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| parent )though there was a snowglobe involved there.
--Even a dead midget is far from light. - Confucius
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| parent )came up, he's Trotsky in Animal Farm. I think I'd compared HankP to Boxer the Horse, because Boxer works harder.
So he wants to call me Snowball, which isn't such a terrible thing, on the face of it. There are sorta two leader pigs, Snowball and Napoleon. Napoleon is, of course, Stalin. Snowball is a much better animal: he's genuinely concerned about the farm, working on infrastructure, especially the windmill, wants to spread the success of Animalism to other farms.
But Snowball fails. Napoleon has stolen the puppies and turns them into his personal army. These attack dogs drive off Snowball.
It's interesting, because Snowball isn't perfect. For all his smarts, Napoleon easily bests him. Snowball thinks harnessing wisdom to power will make things better. They don't, of course, some of the smartest candidates make the worst governors. It's ultimately power which corrupts.
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| parent )political professionals are both smart and good at politics... I mean it is a two way street. Old billy was both and few are good that way. Bush had a good team politically but failed when he tried to govern in the same way. Bush Sr. was not bad at governing and twice the man his son was but not good on the election side. IMHO.... Obama has potential to be good and has good instincts politically and IMHO the possibility to be good at governing. McCain is not a good campaigner IMHO. I am afraid he would be worse at governing.... Maybe worse than bush..... (Hope not) Palin looks like bush II to me....Biden not sure on him he might be the best foreign policy mind of the four.... Obama still seems like the only one that could push an agenda and use the bully pulpit to full effect...
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| parent )are supposed to keep a democracy on track. They never do.
We all have the wrong ideas about politicians. Conservatives and Liberals alike in this country are all sadly deluded. We should factor in a corporate paradigm.
When a CEO leads a publicly trade corporation, he has a board of directors who appointed him and who can remove him. The Board is usually in an adversarial relationship with the CEO. If the CEO produces results, the stock price goes up, everyone's happy. Should it go down, they're unhappy. The CEO has to explain himself and his actions, both before he makes them and after.
We're actually very stupid in the USA. During elections, we love our politicians and hate the other candidate. Every time I hear a politician crapping on his opponent in this race, I have to laugh a bit. The crowd always goes "Boo", but it's actually "Moo". Like cattle driven in herds to the slaughterhouse, we voters are driven to vote for these idiots on the Politics of Personality.
Truth is, we're supposed to be the stockholders, but we'e acting like cattle. We're product. We don't have an adversarial relationship with our politicians. We should not trust them with too much power, but we do, and our proxies in the Congress grant themselves and the CEO ever more power over our lives, our money, our rights in law.
Snowball was a good pig. Poor old WonderDog actually gave me a compliment, though he doesn't realize it. But Snowball was still a Pig, still an Elite, he didn't have a constituency. His was top-down reform. Nobody kept Napoleon the Pig in check. Nobody tracked down those puppies, who would become Napoleon's KGB. We let the PATRIOT Act and all the other abrogations of our rights in law go unchallenged.
And now, and now, we put our faith in Obama, who after all is just a man, wishing and hoping and dreaming that he'll love us, too. He'll correct these injustices, he'll lead us over Jordan, he'll right what's wrong with this country. No he won't. He's a politician. He says what he needs to say to get elected.
Or conversely, we put our faith in McCain. He's got experience, he's got fire in the belly, he's a hero, he's a Maverick, he'll lead us on to victory, he won't let our flag drag in the mud. He'll restore the vision of Conservative greatness. No he won't. He's a goddamn politician. He's fallible, he's old, he's shown himself corrupt and corruptible in Keating 5 and many other scandals. He's old, he's irascible, he's impolitic, he's caved in to the special interests within his own party. He can't be trusted with power either. Who is this guy?
Don't trust your politicians, people. They want power, more and more and more of it. The power belongs in the hands of the people, we dole it out to our politicians to solve the larger problems. But it's our power, it's our capital, and your voting card is your stock certificate.
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| parent )but how can we restrain power except by electing folks who decline to seize it?
--It's impossible to debate if people simply hold beliefs that have no grounding in reality.
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| parent )You'll be immortalized in code, TWD. You'll form the basis for my alpha troll. All other trolls shall be measured against you.
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| parent )it shall be an honor. I look fwd to taking on your community. I shall measure you against those who view themselves as greater than mere mortals. You shall be the true elite, all will whisper sweet nothings about your great writings, your superior wit and dignity. And while you wallow in your grandeur, I'll just snicker.
--"Making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much." Ob
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