It was just a short four years ago when military experience mattered


according to a General

Tonight, please give them a round of applause. Honor them, our veterans, our families. Give them a round of applause. We love our men and women in uniform.

They have given so much.

I want all America to see our party and how we respect the men and women who serve....

...War. War. I've been there. So has John Kerry. I've heard the thump of enemy mortars. I've seen the tracers fly. Bled on the battlefield. Recovered in hospitals. Received and obeyed orders. Sent men and women into battle. Awarded medals, comforted families, attended funerals....

...This hall, this Democratic Party are filled with veterans who have served under the American flag. And this is our flag. Right there, that flag, we saluted this flag. We rose up in the morning and stood reveille to this flag. We fought for that flag. We've seen brave men and women buried under that flag. That flag is ours, and nobody, nobody will take it away from us.

But we've got to tell the truth. And the truth is this: The safety of our country demands urgent and innovative measures to strengthen our armed forces. The safety of our country demands credible intelligence. The safety of our country demands cooperation with our allies. The safety of our country demands making more friends and fewer enemies....

...John Kerry has heard the thump of enemy mortars.

He's seen the flash of the tracers. He's lived the values of service and sacrifice. In the Navy, as a prosecutor, as a senator, he proved his physical courage under fire. And he's proved his moral courage too.

John Kerry fought a war, and I respect him for that. And he came home to fight a peace. And I respect him for that, too.

John Kerry's combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief. And John Edwards with his leadership and extraordinary intelligence, he's going to be a great member of that command team.

John Kerry is a man who in time of war can lead us as a warrior, but in times of peace, he will heed the call of scripture to lead us in beating swords into plowshares.

John Kerry will lead America with strength and wisdom. He has the will to fight. He has the moral courage born in battle to pursue and secure a strong peace. Under John Kerry, I have no doubt -- and neither should any American -- that we are going to attack and destroy the terrorist threat to America....

...And John Kerry knows that members of our armed forces embody the best of America's values: service, sacrifice, courage, compassion.

He knows that the members in the armed forces are serving to build something greater than themselves. They're serving to build something worth fighting for. They're serving to build something worth dying for.

John Kerry knows that the men and women who serve and our veterans are a company of heroes. And everyone who fights for the best in American life is also a hero: firemen, police officers, teachers and so many others.

I say to you tonight: John Kerry's time to lead this company of heroes has arrived. Right here, right now, in this town, tonight, from this place, we set out together to put our country back on track to security and freedom and opportunity.

America, hear this soldier.

Choose a leader whose physical courage, moral values and sound judgment, with the grace of God and our determined commitment, will strengthen our country, protect our liberty, renew our spirit and secure a future for our children that is worthy of our heritage.

Might one just make the observation, that physical courage, moral values and sound judgement are skill that are learned and honed during one's military service as well as almost forty years of civilian service to one's country.

Four years ago Wesley Clark believed all those skills were necessary. What has changed?

BTW when you read .... & ..... it means that I skipped over part of the speach but the link fills-in the blanks.

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“Let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God’s work must truly be our own.”

John F. Kennedy

January 20, 1961

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Oh, Okay, It Does Matter (#101080)
by Harley

Maybe that's why current military members are voting with their wallets -- and donating more to Obama than McCain.

Here.

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To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard

This Diary Should Have Been a Comment (#101077)
by Harley

In one of the other diaries on this weighty subject, including your own. Bear in mind, discovering evidence you believe supports the argument you made in a previous diary does not necessitate a second diary. That's why we have the first.

That is all.

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To think is not enough; you must think of something -- Jules Renard

Righteous outrage duly noted. (#101042)
by Jordan

Evidence of Wes disparaging military service, still not in evidence.

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. -JH

So eager to throw punches; (#101035)
by Bill White

so totally unprepared to take one.

Another Tim (Tim F) is spot on, here:

In other words, McCain and his party demand protection against the kind of criticism that they throw at everyone else. It’s even funnier to see how the criticism that drives them into hysterics is comically weak tea compared to the kind of stuff that attack-mode conservatives, swifties, and angry-mode John McCain regularly dish out.

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Fence post turtles -- They don't get up there by themselves, some moron had to put 'em there.

I never liked Clark. (#101026)
by M Aurelius

So I don't really care what he said then, or says now.

You can go ahead and fight Clark if you must. He's not running for anything, you know.

Wake me up if he's the VP pick. Otherwise, feel free to pursue this all the way to November.

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Of course not!

Go back to his comments... (#101021)
by Wagster

Wes Clark did not say that physical courage, moral values and sound judgement were not necessary. He just said that McCain has never held a position of substantial executive command.

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More Wagster!

Moral values are learned during military service? (#101016)
by mmghosh

In isolation, or opposed to anything else?

Are there any figures, evidence for this?

It's interesting, this, if true - especially in the case of the Afghans for example. After 30 years of war the male soldiery must claim to an immense increase in moral worth of the general population because of such skills honing.

Of course, I do not dispute that a focus on discipline and physical training are useful rewards of military service. But moral values?

Ye olde Swift boating (#101019)
by Micky Love

In these Kingdoms, you would be a most unfashionable military man, among the troops where the least pretension to learning, to piety, or to common morals, would endanger the owner to be cashiered.

Jonathan Swift
http://books.google.com/books?id=HTKB3EV_go4C&printsec=toc&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA96,M1

And he was just talking about the officers!

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Nothing resembles virtue more than a great crime. Saint-Just

I'll just be posting this (#101001)
by HankP

. . .

In every diary when Republicans try to show that they have any respect or admiration for those in the armed forces. Thanks to heet for the inspiration.

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I blame it all on the Internet

I can't take all the credit (#101017)
by heet

Saw it on balloon-juice.com. I think just posting the picture is a perfect retort - completely pithy, snarky, and substanceless. Just like the pathetic charges against Clark.

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Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President. - Bruce Springsteen

and my retort (#101002)
by Timmy

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we f eel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.

Apparently, physical courage, moral values and sound judgement aren't key attributes for you.

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“Let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God’s work must truly be our own.”
John F. Kennedy
January 20, 1961

Yes, that is what those vets said (#101005)
by HankP

many of their charges were true. Inconvenient to war supporters, but true nonetheless. Not sure why you're mad at Kerry, he just made public information that other vets had told him.

So once again, vets are only valued if they support a particular political philosophy. It's sad, actually, to see partisans with no fixed beliefs who allow the temporary exigencies of politics to determine their moral stands.

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I blame it all on the Internet

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