Burroughs again.

thanks for the link. At least now I know why there were references to what I was saying years ago that kept going "Safir, Chomsky, Burroughs.." It is not the same but those in that non-creating speech would have to at least articulate that it was and there was nothing to see and/or nothing could be done about it "because" they had "free" will and they couldn't do anything about language.

You have to admit: they all suspect something. The suspicion is universal.

Yet, because all have the language they do, they end up denying what they know ( as if they were prisoners of their own speech and wanted to get away but couldn't..) by continually questioning it ..again.. while their language denies and denigrates Jesus Christ and the notion of more than one speech in total reality and says as a functional mantra, "I have free will because my speech is powerless and so can't interfere with me in its theory of reality. And I can do nothing." Their religious texts proclaim it "mystically" and they see the whole of reality through that lens.

They couldn't even suspect there was light if all they ever heard was darkness.

There is no mind control if there is no alternative --no Other, no freedom from it. Thus those in the lie of free will must say in non-creating speech that they have free will as if there was no other --than their speech. At least they feel free because in their mind there is no other because of their own powerlessness.

Yet the spark in the dark that always demonstrates there is another never goes away and they grow to hate it for its hope. It is their worm that dies not. Those sent from God appear as merely an itch by the pesky worm to those who cannot hear.

There is new birth in Jesus Christ --a whole different Speech than non-creating speech. For those never born again, God Says:

Mark 9:41-48 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye are Christ's, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward. And whosoever shall be a snare to one of the little ones who believe in me , it were better for him if a millstone were hung about his neck, and he cast into the sea. And if thy hand serve as a snare to thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having thy two hands to go away into hell, into the fire unquenchable; where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched . And if thy foot serve as a snare to thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life lame, than having thy two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire unquenchable; where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched . And if thine eye serve as a snare to thee, cast it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the hell of fire, where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.

You must at least see than if your speech was a living creature with a heart, mind and will of its own, you would hate God because that was all that speech could articulate if IT hated God. If you were freed from that speech, then you would understand why it hated God and that you were a prisoner.

God has plainly declared that the case.

Yet all non-creating speech "admits" is:

Richard Lewontin 'Billions and billions of demons', The New York Review, January 9, 1997, p. 31.

Ecc 8:6-8 For to every purpose there is time and manner. For the misery of man is great upon him; for he knoweth not that which shall be; for who can tell him how it shall be? There is no man who hath control over the spirit to retain the spirit; and no one hath control over the day of death; and there is no discharge in that war, neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

Though I sorta disagree with a strong Sapir-Whorf (thanks for bringing it up, btw), I speak a fair number of languages, to varying degrees of proficiency to say you're correct in every respect, and more ought to be said.

Consider the Japanese language: it's completely encrusted in proverbs, to the point where you will not hear the complete proverb, merely its first few words. There's a proverb: Uma no mimi ni nembutsu (=chanting nembutsu to a horse). Everyone knows this proverb, it has several implications. It might imply, given the situation, attempting to teach the stupid. It might also mean when we say "It's all Greek to me" itself a cultural reference going back to the Romans, who admired the Greeks enough to ape their architecture and literature but not learn their language well.

Japanese happily coexist with two religions: Shinto and Buddhism. Shinto for the young: a Japanese child should appear in a Shinto temple in his third, fifth and seventh years for the Shichigosan ceremony. Shinto is mostly concerned with rituals of protection. But as people get older, they contemplate death and rebirth. Then they go to Buddhist temple. Now the quick route to rebirth is to follow the Amida Buddha, the Buddha of Light. Merely chanting "Namu Amida Butsu" (=Hail to the Amida Buddha) is enough to save you. So old people are to be found in temple, chanting this over and over, slurring it to the single word "nembutsu".

Buddhism is all about advancing into higher planes of existence. A horse is at a supposedly lower plane, so if he were to be enlightened, he might achieve a higher plane. But will the horse get the point, even if the phrase is said directly into his ear? All this meaning wrapped into five words.

I could give you others: "mikka bozu", the monk of three days. Anyone, theoretically, can enter into holy orders in Buddhism, though these days it does take some special permission. His head is shaved, he dons the saffron robe and takes up his begging bowl. But the life is hard, rising early for meditation, often to be struck with the paddle for his benefit... the spartan existence runs off the lazy and ill-suited. But there's another sort of monk of three days, who thinks he has Buddhism all figured out in three days.

As with almost all the kotowaza proverbs of Japanese, there are multiple meanings. When people have complimented me on my Japanese, I often respond "mikka bozu", I am the monk of three days. I could either be a non-serious student or a know-it-all, or both. Never receive a compliment in Japanese without a self-deprecating response.

Telugu is a language of prepositions. There are different forms for a state of motion: describing a fork on the tabletop, at rest, is different from a fork under the table, a fork approaching the table, leaving the table, at the very end of a table, entering food, leaving food, contained in a drawer, references to forks in general, the uses of forks, implications of forks, the owners of forks, all take different cases.

of the old ones at your peril!

Iä! Shub-Niggurath! The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young!

Didn't you mean this?

Even a dead midget is far from light. - Confucius

Can you really do that?

If you are a victim of mind control, what is the "baseline" you that you check against? ( and that assumes you want to stay a fallen you with no new birth in Jesus Christ as is the natural inclination of all Fallen man if you are not already a new creature in Jesus Christ )

In Christ, we know that God has to do all that because He is only One who really knows who and what you are. You're very lack of free will is of benefit to you in exactly the same manner as having no free will is evidence that the whole of the Holy Scriptures we have been given today is the original and original Spirit: the translators did not have free will either. God protected His Word as He Said He would. If the translators, etc, had had free will they could have made a mistake. ( Free willer believers deny their own faith they so strenuously affirm otherwise. They claim "divine" guidance and yet prove as far as they know, they simply make up what they believe concerning Jesus Christ as an equivalent to those who make up false religions. )

In that same manner you are still you because God preserves you beyond your own understanding of total reality. He is the only One who knows where you should be at any given time for your best benefit before Him.

The assumption you can check yourself or use others who are in lockstep with you as regards "we have free will!" as witnesses is ..flawed, to say the least.

Ask yourself: Has Jesus Christ come in flesh?

Who answers?

1John 4:1-6 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, if they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby ye know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses Jesus Christ come in flesh is of God; and every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ come in flesh is not of God: and this is that power of the antichrist, of which ye have heard that it comes, and now it is already in the world. *Ye* are of God, children, and have overcome them, because greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. *They* are of the world; for this reason they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. *We* are of God; he that knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

you are neither a simulation, a robot and that you have no free will.

You wish you had free will. Granted.

But that is by itself part, as a specific, of the mind control in general: to make you wish reality was anything other than what it is to move you to a point to thinking it actually is better than it was in the "old" mindset --thanks to the new "idea". To "turn" you.

How do you know you didn't get turned and that we are all not zombies looking in the mirror and saying dutifully "you are not part of a neo-fascist plot." and yet all somehow working to that end unknowingly?

Assuming you can make machines that replicate all the things you see, feel and can do or have done to you, how do still distinguish between you and the machines? Who is your witness --to you --that you are you.

Why is it that the articulation of what you know is not real is the only thing others constantly repeat --and they are merely mimicking you? They know it is not real. You know it is not real. You know they know and they know you know. Why does everybody keep saying it and then in desperation say "People are more than they can articulate." in a low whisper?

Do you have any habits that you do "to help you concentrate"? The bongization of your senses to "see reality"?

I have answers for these things in total lack of free will.

Those seeking to prove they have free will do not.

Prove me wrong.

Hab 2:13,14 Behold, is it not of Jehovah of hosts that the peoples labour for the fire, and the nations weary themselves in vain? For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah as the waters cover the sea.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

Remember, mind control requires derision from its victims.

Hey, a totally unrelated quote from Carl Sagan that I've always enjoyed: "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."

The other day I heard that ignorance and apathy are sweeping the country. I didn't know that, but I don't really care.