Some muttering on “the will of the American people”

There are many war opponents out and about on the internet who, rather than argue what they believe, turn to polling in order to buttress their opposition to the war. They call on Congress to compel the President to carry out “the will of the American people”. The idea being that since Americans no longer want to be involved in Iraq we are justified in abandoning the battlefield. Never mind that we live in a representative democracy and not a direct democracy like ancient Athens, polls are polls and politicians should abide by them. Well, it will be interesting to see if they change their tune now that another proposal has recently proven to be even less popular than the war. Only a whooping 26% support the proposed immigration bill in the Senate. Whether they agree with the Senate bill or not, in order to be intellectually consistent the calls on Congress to carry out “the will of the American people” to spike this bill should arise from those same quarters that use this justification to pull out of Iraq. Will they? I for one doubt it because I suspect those who decry the “will of the American people” when it supports their side are just as likely to cram legislation down the American people’s throats when legislation they support is in disagreement with said ‘will’. If my suspicions prove to be true then using “the will of the American people” in your argument is nothing more than an appeal to me-too-ism to push a certain point of view rather than an actual conviction, and as such is not a valid tool to support arguments with.

What's worse than shutting down a TV network?

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Threatening another TV network that dares to confront a socialist dictator, which is exactly what Hugo Chavez has done.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Tuesday called opposition news channel Globovision an enemy of the state and said he would do what was needed to stop it from inciting violence, only days after he shut another opposition broadcaster.

Tens of thousands of Venezuelans marched in Caracas in a fourth consecutive day of protests over Chavez's closure of the RCTV network - a move which has sparked international criticism that the leftist leader's reforms are undermining democracy.

Can anyone explain this?

USDA against "mad cow" testing:

WASHINGTON: The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.

The Agriculture Department tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted beef. A beef producer in the western state of Kansas, Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.

Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.

Here at the forvm do we support Creekstone, or the USDA? Which position is more "free market" and capitalistic?

Edit to add: Per wikipedia the definition of statism is:

Statism (or Etatism) is a term that is used to describe:

1. Specific instances of state intervention in personal, social or economic matters.
2. A form of government or economic system that involves significant state intervention in personal, social or economic matters.

Men Shaving and The Question of Apostasy....

...I felt like saying something of importance, of maybe some actual significance to the people here. So, let me get this out of the way first...I'm always buying the latest, greatest thing in shaving. Now it seems to be the Gillette Fusion Razor...I mean this sucker has Five (5) blades, count them, Five (!)...this is oodles of blades on something you hold in your hand.

God, I hate shaving as do most men, so we buy new stuff. Of course, being men, we just may buy new stuff because it is new. But here is the question, is New Better? Always? Sometimes? Often? And in this case, is the Gillette Fusion better than the old 3 bladed Turbo? I mean the Turbo does have three blades, (3!), and this is nothing to sneeze at either. It was, at least as touted at the time, a huge leap over old two, twin blade system.

Oceans, Conservatism, and Ending the Tragedy of the Commons.

David Boaz over at Cato correctly identifies the general solution, private property rights, to the over-fishing problem that plagues our oceans. What Mr. Boaz leaves mostly unsaid, with the exception of a few links to websites supporting the extremely flawed Individual Transferable Quota (ITQ) system, is a practical private property solution to the tragedy of the commons as it pertains to our oceans.

Mr. Boaz asks “…how do you create private ownership in fish or sharks or sea turtles that can easily move through vast and unfenced bodies of water?” On the surface it seems to be an insolvable problem. The Federal Government currently has nominal ownership, insofar as it has the power to set quotas and grant fishing licenses, the sale of which, in theory if not always in reality, goes towards maintaining the fisheries. But of course, it is in the realm of reality where the tragedy of the commons rears its ugly head. In theory, the Federal Government, the all-powerful Big Brother which liberals so dearly love and uphold as reflecting the Common Will of the People, would impartially count the fish, determine how many could be sustainably harvested, set quotas and sell fishing licenses, and use the proceeds to maintain the fisheries for the future benefit of the American People. Let’s bask in the glow and breathe in the fresh air of that Utopia for a moment, shall we?...

Open Thread - Memorial Day Edition 5/25/07

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Surf music time - may I present The Ventures!

Bonus music: I saw these guys on tour with this same lineup - absolutely great concert.

Bonus music 2 - I saw this guy back in 1982 - one of the best guitarists I've ever seen live.

Democrats, reality. Reality, Democrats.

Sure, it's a stiff, awkward embrace that makes everyone want to change the subject, kind of like Al Gore dancing in tight pants. But at least it's something.

The demand for a deadline or timeline to withdraw troops from Iraq has always been a pretty bad idea, in terms of its likely effect on the situation on the ground, however fervently hardline Dems call for an end to the war. Now, Congressional Dems have finally revealed their support for a deadline has been paper thin all along, posturing for the liberal anti-Bush crowd.

The effect of all this propaganda

In regard to recent controversies I have instigated, concerning what I consider to be the, at best, dreadfully foolish attitudes of a large portion of the western intelligentsia, I believe this example of the effect of these attitudes on public opinion is useful -

"A majority of people polled for the BBC World Service across 27 countries believe Israel and Iran have a mainly negative influence in the world with almost as many saying the same about North Korea and the United States."

Is America At Risk From Its Own Radical Muslims?

An apparently comprehensive Pew Research Center poll released today reveals some troubling data. Most alarming was the finding that 15% of American Muslims in the 18-29 year old age group believe that "suicide bombing can often or sometimes be justified in the defense of Islam." 7% of that age group has a positive view of al-Qaeda, and only 40% of all American Muslims believe that Arabs carried out the 9-11 attacks.

Pew estimates there are 1.5 million Muslims over the age of 18 in this country, meaning that there are more than 100,000 who believe suicide bombings are justifiable in defense of their religion.

Open Houses

As I've mentioned here before, I'm engaged to be married. In fact, the wedding is less than two weeks away (Excuse me -- AHHHHHHH!!!!!! -- OK, I'm, better now). Once I'm legally trapped wed and after eight days and seven nights here, it will be time to pursue things I've been putting off. The first order of business is buying a house.

Quite frankly, the whole house-buying thing fills me with a certain amount of dread. It's not like I haven't done it before. The first Mrs. Chuch and I bought a cute, little three bedroom colonial back in 1992. The thing is, I had no idea what I was doing back then. Now I know all too much.

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