A while back someone asked a

question which apparently wasn't answered (er, there was no update). Here is the answer.

Some might ask why now?

The simple retort is, why not?

Is this the "progress" we have been hearing about?

I just cannot see how this development can be spun in any positive way:

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq early Wednesday to chase Kurdish guerrillas who attack Turkey from bases there, three Turkish security officials said. Turkey's foreign minister denied its troops had entered Iraq.

The senior security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, characterized the raid as a "hot pursuit" raid that was limited in scope. They told The Associated Press it did not constitute the kind of large incursion that Turkish leaders have been discussing in recent weeks.

Upcoming elections

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The final list of candidates is:

Bernard Guerrero
Bill White
Bird Dog
M. Scott Eiland
Punditus Maximus
Spin Doctor
Steve Malynn

I will be posting the voting form tonight, please let me know ASAP if you are on the list and don't want to stand for election!


Just a reminder, our last elections were held on 12/16/06 for six month terms. Using my godlike powers, I decree that our new elections will be held during the period 6/11/07 to 6/17/07. Polling will close at 12 noon on 6/17/07 so that I can tally the votes, alert the winners, transfer moderator rights etc. on that Sunday.

How Not to Be Popular (Open thread) Our Missing Soldiers

...ain't nobody going like me for posting this...and maybe you shouldn't look.

But pictures have surfaced today purporting to be our missing soldiers taken in the ambush South of Baghdad about three weeks ago. Be warned, this is tough to look at.


I might also note that some experts say that if we leave Iraq the blood bath will reach a million dead.

To which I say...let them have at it.

We're gone.

Please consider this an Open Thread for happier topics.

Best Wishes,


Some muttering on “the will of the American people”

There are many war opponents out and about on the internet who, rather than argue what they believe, turn to polling in order to buttress their opposition to the war. They call on Congress to compel the President to carry out “the will of the American people”. The idea being that since Americans no longer want to be involved in Iraq we are justified in abandoning the battlefield. Never mind that we live in a representative democracy and not a direct democracy like ancient Athens, polls are polls and politicians should abide by them. Well, it will be interesting to see if they change their tune now that another proposal has recently proven to be even less popular than the war. Only a whooping 26% support the proposed immigration bill in the Senate. Whether they agree with the Senate bill or not, in order to be intellectually consistent the calls on Congress to carry out “the will of the American people” to spike this bill should arise from those same quarters that use this justification to pull out of Iraq. Will they? I for one doubt it because I suspect those who decry the “will of the American people” when it supports their side are just as likely to cram legislation down the American people’s throats when legislation they support is in disagreement with said ‘will’. If my suspicions prove to be true then using “the will of the American people” in your argument is nothing more than an appeal to me-too-ism to push a certain point of view rather than an actual conviction, and as such is not a valid tool to support arguments with.

What's worse than shutting down a TV network?

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Threatening another TV network that dares to confront a socialist dictator, which is exactly what Hugo Chavez has done.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Tuesday called opposition news channel Globovision an enemy of the state and said he would do what was needed to stop it from inciting violence, only days after he shut another opposition broadcaster.

Tens of thousands of Venezuelans marched in Caracas in a fourth consecutive day of protests over Chavez's closure of the RCTV network - a move which has sparked international criticism that the leftist leader's reforms are undermining democracy.

Can anyone explain this?

USDA against "mad cow" testing:

WASHINGTON: The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.

The Agriculture Department tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted beef. A beef producer in the western state of Kansas, Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.

Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.

Here at the forvm do we support Creekstone, or the USDA? Which position is more "free market" and capitalistic?

Edit to add: Per wikipedia the definition of statism is:

Statism (or Etatism) is a term that is used to describe:

1. Specific instances of state intervention in personal, social or economic matters.
2. A form of government or economic system that involves significant state intervention in personal, social or economic matters.

Men Shaving and The Question of Apostasy....

...I felt like saying something of importance, of maybe some actual significance to the people here. So, let me get this out of the way first...I'm always buying the latest, greatest thing in shaving. Now it seems to be the Gillette Fusion Razor...I mean this sucker has Five (5) blades, count them, Five (!)...this is oodles of blades on something you hold in your hand.

God, I hate shaving as do most men, so we buy new stuff. Of course, being men, we just may buy new stuff because it is new. But here is the question, is New Better? Always? Sometimes? Often? And in this case, is the Gillette Fusion better than the old 3 bladed Turbo? I mean the Turbo does have three blades, (3!), and this is nothing to sneeze at either. It was, at least as touted at the time, a huge leap over old two, twin blade system.

Oceans, Conservatism, and Ending the Tragedy of the Commons.

David Boaz over at Cato correctly identifies the general solution, private property rights, to the over-fishing problem that plagues our oceans. What Mr. Boaz leaves mostly unsaid, with the exception of a few links to websites supporting the extremely flawed Individual Transferable Quota (ITQ) system, is a practical private property solution to the tragedy of the commons as it pertains to our oceans.

Mr. Boaz asks “…how do you create private ownership in fish or sharks or sea turtles that can easily move through vast and unfenced bodies of water?” On the surface it seems to be an insolvable problem. The Federal Government currently has nominal ownership, insofar as it has the power to set quotas and grant fishing licenses, the sale of which, in theory if not always in reality, goes towards maintaining the fisheries. But of course, it is in the realm of reality where the tragedy of the commons rears its ugly head. In theory, the Federal Government, the all-powerful Big Brother which liberals so dearly love and uphold as reflecting the Common Will of the People, would impartially count the fish, determine how many could be sustainably harvested, set quotas and sell fishing licenses, and use the proceeds to maintain the fisheries for the future benefit of the American People. Let’s bask in the glow and breathe in the fresh air of that Utopia for a moment, shall we?...

Open Thread - Memorial Day Edition 5/25/07

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Surf music time - may I present The Ventures!

Bonus music: I saw these guys on tour with this same lineup - absolutely great concert.

Bonus music 2 - I saw this guy back in 1982 - one of the best guitarists I've ever seen live.

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